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cassidystash wrote:

I can cope with a back 5 if we have the players but we didn’t. We had FBs trying to be WBs and 3 CBs with no pace which at least one should have. My opinion only.

I think we were a player short in each department, tbh. Midfield lacked a hard nut and up front lacked a fox in the box.

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Iron-awe wrote:

I think most professional sportspeople have ego’s it goes with the territory I guess. They are superior in ability compared to the average person when it comes to sport so to be told by these people they are doing it wrong will rankle them a bit. Ego, arrogance call it what you will but most of them have it and the response to people who say ” I’ve watched this game 50 years I’m entitled to my opinion” is,” absolutely you are but I don’t have to take any notice of you because you’ve never been a professional in the sport like me “. Arrogance and ego part and parcel of the everyday professional sportspeoples profile.

A bit of this, maybe, but couldn’t you say the same about plumbers, bricklayers, accountants, computer programmers, mechanics, teachers, doctors, opticians, etc etc..? There’s always someone with little to no experience who thinks they can do your job better than you can. The only exception is DJs – their job is a con and even one short plank with turkey teeth could do it.

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There you go then. These things are important in contract negotiations. It’s not just about what your annual wage is, even at our level.

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cassidystash wrote:

I thought he said we started the season with a back 5 and finished with a back 5. I took that as a reference to putting Boycie on at the end and having a pop at those (me included) that were critical of playing a back 5 for too long.

Ah, got you. I’m pretty sure he also said something about next season in this context, though.

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I’d say the point about position and style of play is about expectations, too. “We expect 20 goals out of you, and if you get them you achieve your bonus” (which, in financial terms, for some players could be the factor that swings the decision)… Yet the Club intends to play a system that is likely to put you out of your natural position…

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Iron-awe wrote:

So a player might only sign if he can play in a position or certain way that suits him? Sounds like he’d better piss off then, manager runs the team his way, he probably asks for input from players about their thoughts sometimes but the player plays and does what he’s asked to do by the manager in a game.

If you’re a 5’8″ goalpoacher and your Club offers you a contract and then plays you as a target man for long balls all season you’d want to have known in advance wouldn’t you? Alright, that’s an extreme example, but I’m sure you take the point?

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cassidystash wrote:

Not usually the manager that does contract negotiations though is it? He’s told the club who he wants to keep so it’s up to them now, best of luck.

During his open-top bus tour interview with Ollie Turner, Danny Whitehall alluded to on field position and style of play sometimes being a factor in negotiations. So what if some sort of scenario arose where a player was offered something but didn’t want to accept due to those things? Yes, no doubt it’ll be down to Ian and George to sort the money and terms side of the contracts, but you’d expect Butler’s input as part of the bigger picture.

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Butler’s getting married soon (I think it might be this coming weekend, or the weekend after), so you’d reasonably expect he’ll be away for a couple of weeks on honeymoon. We might not see any action for a while, re player negotiations…

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Footage I’ve seen of the Sunday night event looked decent – a lot more people there than on the other two days. That was good to see.

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No real surprises so far.

Retained List 2.0 will be more interesting.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

My hope is Zanetti’s paid stadium hire well in advance of the event.

Same here – and you’d hope those at the helm of the Club are sharp enough to have insisted on it!

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BigLeftToe wrote:

I’ve really liked Rowley so far, rarely gives the ball away, puts his foot in and can drive forward with the ball. Just needs to add a few more goals to his game, think he’s only got the one this season.

He’s better than Scales.

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BigLeftToe wrote:

Oh give it a rest ffs. The event is literally a couple of hours into its biggest night…why are you so obsessed Rene?

“Biggest night” could mean 650 people.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

The model I suggested is pretty industry standard, so hopefully all good.

It is the standard, yes. Essentially venue hire by a promoter. I suggested pretty much the same thing in earlier threads – but we don’t actually know how agreements and contracts might have played out behind the scenes of this one, what with the Club taking its first step into gigs.

That wasn’t my point. I was asking if the Club will even get its money, and what will happen if the Club doesn’t get its money?

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Like several other people I’ve spoken to about it, I was somewhat surprised by the scale of ambition bearing in mind the quality of the event – but for the Club’s sake I wanted it to be successful. I really hope the Club is protected contractually from financial damage.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

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Looks and sounds like a complete disaster in terms of crowd numbers, event logistics and (probably) finances. Anyone any clearer on who is picking up the tab for this folly – Zanetti or our Club?

Surely Zanetti’s paying stadium hire and the overheads and the club take the bar and percentage of sales?

You would hope that there is minimal financial risk for the Club and that the stadium is merely a ‘hired space’.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I heard Dirty Sterling were complaining about not being paid. Is that true?

They also only got to play a third of their allotted time.

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Northumbiron wrote:

Same people who say that he’s definitely leaving the club?

Or definitely maybe likely to stay.

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There is, imho, still great value in having a printed newspaper in our town. Despite the flaws of ours, in general you just cannot beat the physical item. The terrible Telegraph website user experience means it just disappears into the online mush.

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He’s following exactly the same haircut trajectory as Alex Calvo-Garcia during his time here.

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we can’t stay in this surreal moment forever reality and the numbers game will kick in very soon

That is true, and that’s why people should block out their interior noise for a week or however long until the retained list is released and savour the moment until reality bites.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

… the negative histrionics that followed Butterfield’s exit for far too long last season…

From the fans or from a clearly economical-with-the-truth Mrs B ..?!

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Rene Artois wrote:

Give him a go!
38 goals this season!

Agree!

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Northumbiron wrote:

Robert’s and Whitehall feeling the love!

Would that perhaps tempt them to stay?

It could also tempt them to move on. What a moment to experience and a high to leave on.

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TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

I loved the “Roberts again….” chant when he got the morons back over the wall near the end.

One of those lovely SUFC moments that would mean nothing to anyone outside of the Club. Similarly the footage doing the rounds of Danny Whitehall playing the drum in the crowd – quite possibly the best SUFC footage I’ve ever seen. What a wonderful moment.

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TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

There’s going to be some players that, however much they’d like to stay, could very well be offered better terms elsewhere – I’m thinking Whitehall and Roberts.
As professional footballers, their heads or their agents heads will ultimately rule over their hearts.

It’s always been that way. So I think we’re in for some heartbreak this summer.

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cassidystash wrote:

“Not after the two years I’ve had!”

There are several different meanings that could be inferred from that, particularly if taken alongside her comments about ‘the right person’ not being around.

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Michelle leaving

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Awaywego wrote:

How can you let Beck go when he signed an 18 month contract, can’t imagine some other numpty coming in for him can you.

You could cancel his contract (whether ‘by mutual consent’, as sometimes happens, or not).

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Maybe Merch Labs, as partners / sponsors, might step up and pay for an ad-free experience for all?

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