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Awaywego wrote:

And him giving Swanny £150.000 in the first place would put pressure on Swanny to sell Sharp the club and ground Apollo.
I’m happy what I’ve seen and read to form my opinion.

We don’t actually know what the agreement between Sharp and the club (Swann) was regarding the money. Let’s take it at face value that it was a loan essentially put in as goodwill to secure the sale – which did not then happen.

But in a round about way it now has and Sharp is on the board and, we can presume, he is not asking for his money back urgently (if at all).

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Awaywego wrote:

By we are high and mighty there Snot, the accounts haven’t been published yet and yet you know, seriously what’s up with ya you really are a Walter Mitty character.

This seems a bit unnecessary to me.

In any case, the abridged version of the accounts up to June 2023 has been published (on 28th March 2024). Doesn’t that cover the period which includes the loan from Sharp?

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Awaywego wrote:

To right Apollo11, at that moment in time Hilton had walked away from the club, the club itself in dire straights and a supposedly fan wanting to be included as a creditor is beyond me! And no reason to think he wont still will want it back if he walks away from the board.
The not so Sharp bit comes from him handing over £150.000 to Swanny in the first place when not many posters on here trusted him, far from it some weren’t going to to any more games so Swanny wouldn’t get another penny from them.

Don’t you think that asking for it back was perhaps just a way to put even more pressure on Hilton to clear off?

Edited to add: I’m not saying this is correct, I’m saying it’s possible.

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Siderite wrote:

Yes, he didn’t like him wanting the loan repaid.

That was a complex issue, lots of nuance which got lost in the noise.

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Siderite wrote:

Awaywego has taken exception to him before, especially regarding the issue with the loan given to pay wages.

I suspect you mean he took issue with Sharp ‘asking Hilton for his money back’ (to put it the simplest way)..?

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Siderite wrote:

Apollo – He’s responding to Awaywego.

I know, yeah. I was just speaking generally about what he’d said.

I can also see what Awaywego said about Sharp – but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. It seems to me to be more of a badly put comment on Elliott taking advantage than an accusation of Sharp being thick.

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

OK I’ll bite.
I’ve spoken to Simon Elliott at length, I’m not now and never was a fan but I’ll leave it there.
Ian Sharp, spoken to him on many occasions, 100% genuine and put his money where his mouth is, I haven’t a bad word for him, he’s United through and through and doesn’t deserve the bad mouthing from certain posters on here that have never met him and wouldn’t have the bottle to say it to his face, if they did he would just laugh at them.
As for Lee Turnbull, yet again there’s those on here bad mouth him but wouldn’t have the bollocks to say it to his face, not that Lee would give a shit anyway.

Personally, I’ve never said anything at all about Sharp. In fact, I think he’s a bit of a legend – and his donation of 1899 to the fund Iron Bru set up was a masterstroke, much needed light relief. A highlight of that whole period of time.

I may have missed something, of course, but I’ve also never seen anyone else on here badmouthing him. I imagine most people feel the same about him as I have described earlier in this reply.

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Awaywego wrote:

I questioned him joining Swanny on the board again when there was no sensible reason for doing so…

I also thought this month-or-so stint back on the board was strange, but perhaps it was a chance to get a look at the books.

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Siderite wrote:

As it is, he is just a bit part of the board and I hope and doubt Michelle is being swayed by him, trusts her own judgement and gives equal thought to input from Roj, Sharp, Akther et al.

I hope she gives way more than equal thought. These others have, after all, put actual money where their mouths are – and, in the case of Akther, provided serious expertise which has proved crucial for the club’s survival.

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There’s no point being so vitriolic about it, but I have less trust in his judgement now.

I’m certainly not being vitriolic, just calling it exactly as I see it as I believe that’s what it merits.

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Deereyme66

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That’s a very balanced and completely fair view.

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Point being, ultimately, that his name was not included in the original publication of the article by The Athletic.

As it wasn’t included, you could reasonably assume that when Michelle was talking to the reporter she did not mention Elliott as part of the list of people who were essential in her takeover – and that she either didn’t mention him deliberately, or didn’t even think of him at all as his input was so inconsequential.

So, you could also reasonably assume that the addition of Elliott’s name several hours after publication was down to a complaint from him.

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Rene Artois wrote:

If he didn’t see through WHAM… then he’s not a good judge of character.

Disregard the Hilton stuff in and of itself, it’s just part of a bigger picture: Ego.

Elliott’s MO has always been to stand next to power, next to money, next to kudos, next to attention… whoever it is… as he’s smart enough to know standing in that spot make others assume he is powerful, monied and important himself.

Anyone else remember the arse-clenching cringe of him getting himself onto the team sheet of the Wembley 1999 side which re-formed for a charity match? One of the lowest moments at GP, imho.

Wasn’t he also a Swann supporter when it suited?

Think back to the ‘Elliott / Sharpe’ thing 18 months or so ago. It was Sharpe with the actual money!

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He certainly wasn’t the only one trying to get his bearings during the nightmare we have gone through.

That’s a bit of a nonsense. He wasn’t trying to get his bearings at all. He knew exactly where he was / wanted to be.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

The iron bar is not fit for purpose, and never has been.

I agree, but rebuilding that is a massive ask for a club with (next to) nothing.

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Siderite wrote:

…now is the opportune moment for it, since with a new contract it will be harder to dispense of him if we struggle next season and crowds fully turn.

It would also be costly, and it may be this that swings it really.

Note: However, I actually expect the Board to stand by him for reasons I described elsewhere.

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Rene Artois wrote:

Apollo11 wrote:

… Indeed i noticed the addition of Elliots name post publishing…obviously after a few hasty phone calls…

Also worth noting that a volunteer employee seems to have put a lot more money into the club than Elliott.

Has Elliott sunk anything in?

He borrowed a used car showroom and got a few people to sit in it.

… and, while standing on the stage to introduce KK, veered off to talking about himself and making a point of telling us he was not and never had been “a used car salesman”.

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I put more money into the club than said person, and i only do the Monthly draw.

It’s just a massive ego trip. Always has been.

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MK Iron wrote:

Pretty sure it was one of dodgy Dave’s claims that the dispute between the club (Swann) and the Telegraph was resolved.

Doesn’t mean it’s true of course.

Does the Telegraph even report properly on the Cods or do they just copy and paste from other sources.

Do they report properly on anything?

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RoamingBull wrote:

There’s ones that have
There’s that pretend to have

… creating a perception of being great by standing next to greatness.

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… Indeed i noticed the addition of Elliots name post publishing…obviously after a few hasty phone calls…

Also worth noting that a volunteer employee seems to have put a lot more money into the club than Elliott.

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Apollo11 wrote:

Noticeable: Zero mention of Simon Elliott in Michelle’s singling people out for being crucial to saving the club.

Noticeable: Simon Elliott’s name being added in to this article hours AFTER it was originally published.

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Noticeable: Zero mention of Simon Elliott in Michelle’s singling people out for being crucial to saving the club.

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Sanfran49 wrote:

I believe Mr Whoever he was brought him in to fail

I don’t believe this. I think it was a Hilton underestimation of SUFC. The kind of move that would have impressed at Ilkeston… but not here.

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ironfromafar wrote:

… the risk is getting off to a bad start attendances dropping like a stone the off loading JD replacing him with someone who will be working with players he hasnt chosen.

You’d have to assume the Board aren’t idiots and will have already thought of this.

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BigLeftToe wrote:

Lord Kitchener wrote:

Time to get old big hair back. Surely he’s up to this league. A mate of mine who lives in Scotter reckons he sees him at his local boozer from time to time.

He was at the Boston game.

I understand he’s at most (if not all) games.

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Siderite wrote:

Personally, I am all for moving on for the same of unity. However, I can’t help but notice the irony after Marco and Max regularly slagged off the Bru podcast for being ‘Swann lovers’ for the interviews of him, when their interview with Hilton was far more softball and now some have made similar accusations about them. Hopefully a lesson learned in how hard it is to interview such figures, and maybe they should have given Bru some slack in how they dealt with Swann.

I doubt they are that self-aware?

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Think you’re referring to Gareth?

Ah, apologies – my mistake. Yes, I was. He also took to Twitter yesterday and was telling people to ‘stay classy’ (I had noticed).

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Deereyme66 wrote:

X post of the day: infamous effin and jeffin youtuber implores fellow Iron fans to ‘stay classy’ next season. Bravo!

Other than the fact he’s done them consistently, week after week, home and away, which should be applauded as a great achievement, the actual videos themselves are extremely dull. He doesn’t have anything insightful to say, and there’s not a lot of interesting content.

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