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He said he is aware of the quality of some of them, the reason for not playing them currently is he’s not wanting to expose them in the current first team as it is
We’ve had games this season “worthless cup games” never even made the bench. Sorry not buying it.
Cox came up with utter shite when he was asked as well. This seems all too familiar to the Joey Dawson scenario.
Everybody was screaming for Dawson to get a shot…excuse after excuse and he then moved to Celtic for a compensation fee.
Hill said the other day that O’neil would be part of his squad but was coming back from injury, he plays Jarvis and yet Wilson can’t even make the bench and come on for 20 mins here and there ?
This all seems a bit odd to me. I can’t for the life of me see how allowing a talented youngster to come on for 15/20 minutes when we’re struggling is going to somehow curtail his career.
I could be wrong but I suspect we’re not being told the whole story here.
“I agree with others that there is perhaps something here which we either don’t see or that we are not being allowed to see”
I’m thinking exactly that !
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Loft needs a lot “and I mean a lot” of work but I still think there’s a player in there somewhere. Loft last season was good at times but I suspect his agent has been in his ear about a club who’s interested because this version of Loft is way worse than the one who showed promise last season.
This version is a million miles away. Would Jessop be any worse than either Jarvis or this version of Loft ?
I know this is off topic but there has been a few suggestions as to why Wilson hasn’t been getting a look in. A few have been suggesting that a club/clubs have shown interest and he’s due to move on come the January window.
Now, if this is true it would make sense. It appears it maybe almost identical to the Joey Dawson situation.
We were crap last season and Dawson was tearing it up in reserves/youth and never got a look in and then moved on.
Same about to happen again ?
There were rumours from early on this season that teams were looking at him. I wouldn’t be surprised either, you can tell he’s a good player from watching the youths as he’s usually that much better than all the other players on the pitch.
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There are more positive signs there. Kenyon filled me with dread when I first saw him pre injury but with more game time and fitness he’ll be alright.
Beestin needs to stay in. Pugh has good energy but lacks quality, I’d maybe go with Hackney there next to Beestin and Perry in my opinion needs to play further forward feeding the 2 strikers.
Scrimshaw, Perry, Beestin and O’Hara played well so there were positives but the 2 CB’s were awful and Loft was diabolical.
Loft needs to bench warm from now on until he starts pulling his finger out. I don’t rate Jarvis but least he puts the effort in.
It’s just a shame that O’Neil is as poor as he is because we could do with somebody else up there with Scrimshaw.
Would Jessop even be any worse than the way Loft and Jarvis are playing ?. I’m not so sure.
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Don’t forget Gandhi aka, Martin Carruthers. In his time here he was quality and Hayes.
Loft was absolutely dreadful tonight. The service at times was shocking but I’m not entirely sure his heart is in it anymore. Loft looked disappointed to come off but he needs to realise that he has to give more then not on the pitch for Hill to keep him on it.
Scrimshaw has his obvious limitations but he made the difference tonight. I’d start him and keep Jarvis up there. Jarvis is poor as well but least he puts the effort in.
Perry needs to start as well as an attacking midfielder so he can feed whoever is upfront. I do think there is definitely a player in there, he just needs games.
Pugh needs to stay in CM for his energy and Beestin did alright but he needs to get his fitness up though.
What worries me most is the 2 CB’S. Taft has been poor since he signed his perm deal. Onariase is a bit dodgy at times and Davies when he was playing was slow and ponderous.
Taft and Onariase at times tonight were all over the place. Taft had an absolute shocker. I hope O’Malley is back soon as well because he’s certainly better than Thompson.
If Taft keeps these performances going, he would be a likely candidate to move on in Jan if anybody wanted him. Taft looked a right player when he was on loan but since he’s got his contract he’s been subpar at best.
Loft’s finishing is awful for the most part and his first touch is dog mess. If a team is interested i’d either flog him or do some kind of player exchange.
I’m sure Loft said not long back that he didn’t really see a future here and that other teams were interested, which is all well and good but he still needs to improve to further impress them, surely ?
In regards to Hippolyte he was playing fairly well in CM under Cox. I think he looks not bad in CM but is absolutely dreadful out wide, which is ironic because he came as a winger.
Scrimshaw is another one in the Loft category, runs his nads off but at time the quality just isn’t there. Scrimshaw reminds me of Chris Dagnall.
Only problem is Jarvis is worse then Loft. O’Neil is even worse than Jarvis. Turan is even worse than O’Neil and then you have Jessop who looked nowhere near being ready when he played under Cox.
I know this is complete craziness but I suppose Beestin could play CF with Wilson next to him ?. Beestin can finish but he can’t even get in at CM so I doubt that would ever be a viable option.
Apart from that though, not really much we can do. Green can’t play up top as he looks lost.
This is why we’re rock bottom ladies and gents. I would say this collection of strikers we have ” I use that term extremely loosely ” is the poorest since I’ve been watching.
I can remember many bad strikers we’ve had on the books but we’ve never had a big collection of them before.
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No progress on the ground improvements?
I think they’re dead to such an extent tumbleweed would even refuse to acknowledge them !
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If anyone will sort them it will be Hill. You can already see he’s put a bit in place already. At least against Salford we actually had some structure to the way we played.
In a space of a week we’ve gone from being knackered after 30 minutes to knackered after 60 and that to me is big progress in a week.
Throw into the mix he’s already ring marked the players who need to be fitter and the pillock/pillocks who spend all week in the physio room to then magically become fit on the day before the game.
No doubt he’s also spotted the wide options are shite..hence why he’s playing with 4 central midfielders. Glad he’s also playing Rowe at RB due to Millen not being able to defend.
I think Perry playing further forward as a more attacking midfielder to link play is a good move as well. Got that bit of craft and passing ability with less defensive responsibility which is one part of his game which is lacking.
All in all, good progress.
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Probably was like a holiday camp because they certainly weren’t running. We all thought Cox was out of his depth tactically but it was way worse than we ever imagined.
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Whatever he was doing it wasn’t up to scratch. I thought it was a bit odd against Donny that we started really well and pressed then around 30 mins we looked laboured.
Managed 60 mins last match…with any look in a few matches time + hard training we might even be able to last the full 90.
How the hell do you get all this games into the season and have a squad that haven’t even got the base level of fitness to be able to compete 90 mins ?
It really is unbelievable when you think about it.
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If he is to be correct which I have no doubt as to why he’d be lying anyway, this backs up what we’ve thought to be the case.
Swann needs to take a back seat and let a real footballing man make the decisions. In Hill and his success at this level, I highly doubt there are many much more qualified than he is to get the right people in.
If he meddles in Jan then he’ll sink the club. I don’t think Hill would allow it to be honest, if Swann would try that Hill would just walk and then tell everybody why he’s gone, he strikes me as that type of character.
I suspect Hill would have been given assurances about him having complete control and the football side of things or he wouldn’t have even come but I suppose Swann had promised Hurst certain things but appeared to move the goalposts.
I just hope he’s learned his lesson now. Hill did say the other day that he’s got complete control of the club so least if he does fail he will only have himself to blame so seems like he has the control which a manager should have.
Fingers crossed !
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He certainly needs plenty of time to score a goal, refuses to be rushed. Why didn’t he just HEAD IT!!!!!!!! He’s missed 3 from inside the 6 yard box in 2 games that have cost us valuable points. IF there’s improvement in him he needs to find it quickly.
My thoughts entirely. That’s what I was getting at. The instinct a striker should have he just hasn’t got.
That in my opinion isn’t so much a lack of game time, that’s just simply not being a good enough. A striker should not need a run of games to have the instinct to stick a ball away which is right there to be hit.
Hill was asked this post match that if he thought he took far too long to want to hit the ball and he agreed.
I’m not writing him completely off but that’s a worrying thing for a striker. Millen was quite an odd one but thought he looked better there than RB because he can’t really defend and to be fair to him he’s got really good delivery though and clipped a great cross in.
Regarding Jarvis I just think if the natural instinct to score goals isn’t there for a striker and you keep playing him then you’re asking for trouble.
I’d personally give Wilson a go, he’s able to score with both feet and has a bit of composure about him. No doubt in my mind that Jarvis has cost us points these last few matches and they weren’t exactly hard chances either.
We’ll have to wait and see.
In regards to the players current fitness levels this far into the season. I’d love for it to come out what Cox and Lillis actually had the players doing.
Quarter of the season gone and they’re cream crackered after 60 mins. When he first came in they only lasted 30+ before tiring.
No wonder we looked so bad and kept dropping deep. They would have all been knackered as they didn’t even have a base level of fitness.
Utter piss take.
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Hill is what we should have had months before if Swann pulled the trigger when he should have. I mentioned about Hill commenting about the last match about players not being fit.
I said few days back that we looked laboured around 35 minute mark against donny with the team pressing.
The same happened today after 60 minute mark…
Serious question here.
What the feck were Cox and Lillis doing during training sessions ?
I find it absolutely disgusting Hill is going to have to wait a while for this team to get up to the fitness levels required.
Absolute disgrace, we’ve played all these games and still not fit !
Really like Hill. The difference between a proper manager and Cox is astounding. Already spotted the piss takers and shirkers it seems and looks to have marked Beestin’s card.
I found it weird how Cox wouldn’t play him and now Hill hasn’t bothered so far.
Has Beestin become too comfortable and had started to extract the urine ?
It would appear that way. Hill won’t take any crap and if I was Beestin, I’d pull his finger out quick sharp.
How refreshing it is to actually have a commanding manager who 100% knows what he’s doing and who’s 100% dialed in.
A lot of hard work to do and the strikers bar Scrimshaw who’s hardworking but limited and Loft who has a lot of improvement still in him, we have Perry who’s definitely got something, Hackney has turned up, Kenyon looked different to those first games I saw him in and also got something in O’Malley and Rowe. Manny was also superb.
Watson we have an able GK so there is something there.
The depth is what worries me. 2 fit CB’S and Jarvis as the back up forward…jesus god above.
Jarvis looks like he needs a full minute to decide what to do and score. Never seen anything like it.
I’d honestly rather go down the Cameron Wilson/Harry Jessop route. I’ve seen enough of Jarvis now and he isn’t and will never be good enough.
I wonder as well If Hallam is one of those Hill mentioned about being injured all week and then declaring themselves fit on the friday ?
Anyway all in all, really pleased with Hill and can see improvement already.
Right man for the job 100% without a shadow of a doubt.
Shame he wasn’t here earlier but least he’s here now. If we can stay in touch, off load the bluffers/shirkers/sicknotes and get 3 or 4 in.. I think we’ll be ok.
I like Hill, upfront and no bullshit. I couldn’t have asked for any more.
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Doesn’t necessarily mean he has improved much.
Not doing too bad is he, you seen his goal scoring record since moving ?. I know it’s conference but the gap is getting ever closer now to league 2 in my opinion.
I’ve seen him a few times on BT Sport and he looks like he’s improved a fair old bit.
Put it this way, I’d rather have a conference Wootton over Loft any day of the week.
Nearly averaging a goal every 2 games he’s played since been there. Not too shabby.
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Wootton in particularly had a good opportunity here whilst in League 1
I don’t call playing a youngster upfront on his own with limited service is a good idea personally.
There was no excuse not signing him on a long term contract and loaning him out. I don’t give a crap what anybody else says, we should have gone down that route.
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obsession with Wilson among some posters on here is getting a bit odd.
Recognising a young player with undoubted talent and promise in dour times like these is not the same as blindly obsessing about a player.
You do over react at times.
You’re right though, his time will come probably in the not too distant future.
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As Hill said he was using that as a glorified training match to see what Jarvis, Wood are about and how Rowe and Pugh looked in those positions. Hill surely will have realised that Rowe isn’t a CB and neither is pugh a RB.
I suspect McMahan told him they were seen as naturals playing in those positions and wanted a look himself.
Beestin, Manny rested. Kenyon got a run out so not too bad.
Going by that Hill must realise he needs to play both Loft and Scrimshaw upfront now.
4/3/1/2 ?
Pugh, Beestin and Perry with Hackney in behind Scrimshaw and loft ?
I think Hallam’s broke down yet again. Still not involved..another Swann masterstroke.
What did Hallam’s medical consist of ?.
Did somebody flick him and due to him staying upright was awarded a 2yr deal ?
O’Neil isn’t injured and can’t even make the subs bench. Those 3 need moving on. Hopefully somebody would loan O’Neil, Bunn’s contract is only till end of season but Hallam will be the hard one to shift on.
How many games has he played in these last 3 seasons ?. I’d like to think it will only be 20 odd, with him starting less than half.
Absolute madness giving him another deal. We can I’ll afford to carry crocks and in O’Neil we have a dog and duck type striker in the ranks.
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