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Good riddance to dodgy Dick, but this depiction in The Guardian is disgraceful:

https://twitter.com/daverich1/status/1652216828247015435

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I can’t see any talk of no payment elsewhere.

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Some say we have the worst fans because of moaners and upsetting the owner. Others say we have the worst fans because we’re too compliant with owners. Personally, I don’t think it’s worth attacking our own fanbase as the worst when we are not that different to many other lower league club fanbases, really.

We have gone through a tough time and what we need to do is support the team and look out for any mishandling of the club.

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I thought such stuff only happened with Scunny fans, given we are so toxic and abusive. The worst in the country according to some. Yet here we hear of it potentially being the case elsewhere :-)

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Northumbiron

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It’s all getting a bit silly over there. Doxxing and threats to fight from anonymous pro-Hilton accounts and cryptic comments from someone anti-Hilton. There’s your toxicity.

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That was said under Swann. Anyway, the options aren’t just blindly support Hilton and refuse to listen to criticism or he goes.

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I am happy to give Hilton a chance, but I am not going to blindly agree with everything he does. He’s a football chairman, not a cult leader.

As for rumours, if they can be substantiated we should take heed. Much isn’t, which is the problem. Those making accusations need to be more wise or not spread malicious and damaging gossip (if untrue). However, if they are true, I won’t be following someone like that like a lemming.

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I sense a busy day for SST.

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These trolls are odd. They could be Hilton or his associates trying to big himself up and sow division among critics. They could be people against Hilton trying to cause trouble. They could just be idiots doing it for a laugh. No matter what, we should give them no heed, regardless of our thoughts on Hilton, as these are the people trying to divide the fanbase when they are probably not Scunny fans.

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Iron-awe, Lord Kitchener

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Do you actually know or is this more supposition? A lot from that document is supposition.

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I saw it. Very concerning.

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Is Mixu Paatelainen available? :-)

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bartonscorpion wrote:

Matt, for Christ sake close this thread down mate, it has become a slagging match between Xxx and Siderite, they are stating their same things over and over again, it is never ending rubbish and pointless

Yeah. I apologise for not letting it rest when I should have, instead of dragging it on.

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bartonscorpion

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Deereyme66 wrote:

‘Ironforever99 has a bit to say about the abuse.’

Saw some of the earlier posts Forever Iron made but not the last one. Are the burner accounts threatening physical violence happening again then? I mentioned this disturbing trend last week. I saw them, as I’m sure others did. Took some screenshots for what good it’s worth (probably nothing). There’s the toxicity, right there. Not people questioning or criticising the owner.

https://twitter.com/Ironforever99/status/1650496597107654657

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If that has been the case, you have completely proven my point about sowing division among fans from yourself. Fortunately, I can move on and you overestimate your ability.

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Showing me up by lying. lol. I have maybe reacted longer than I should, but I am not the one attacking other fans, blaming them for potentially Hilton leaving and sowing division. I am not the one who has been shown to be lying to try and make out it’s me attacking fans for a different view. ;-)

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Not really. I am just amused at showing your own dishonesty. YOu love trying to sow division among fans.

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Oh well, you have just wriggled. There goes my expectations. Liar.

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I probably should have explained myself more clearly, but I meant those who want to support Hilton without paying heed to concerns our questions. Still, at least you haven’t wriggled out of your lie and it’s not me attacking other fans, sowing division.

And, no, you said I want us to fail. Which I don’t. I am in Hilton’s group 2.

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Siderite wrote:

Those who want to support Hilton can do, but attacking our fanbase is too much.

From my first post here. Liar

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I have. I have said people can support Hilton and I am fine with that. I have read yours and saying fans are allowed to criticise or slam Hilton on twitter because of free speech (not meaning I agree with such slamming) means “I want the club to fail.” Yeah, I am not agreeing with you. It’s you sowing division by slamming fans here, not me.

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I have not lambasted people for being pro Hilton, while you have slammed me for not being sufficiently pro Hilton, so I don’t agree.

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You’re not, but then explain you are.

I want Hilton to succeed, I hope he does, I am not buying into some of the doom that he’s already proven himself a wrong un. It’s too early for that and all this talk of him not having the money by the end of May is speculation as it stands. I hope we can bounce back, think we can if Hilton gets decisions right. Yet because I have some concerns and poor judgements on his decisions I am causing division. Not you for slamming people for daring not to treat Hilton like he is untouchable? And this me wanting him to fail? Thinking like this is driving Hilton out, apparently. I would say it’s that causing division, because you’re the one attacking fans. I am happy for people to have hope in Hilton. All I expect is to be able to air my own opinions without being lambasted for having questions.

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TheJuryeffsOut

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Xxx wrote:

Siderite wrote:

WonderGoals wrote:

Awaywego, a lot of the crap he received on twitter was from newly created accounts and I don’t even think they were actually Scunny fans. Now whether they were trouble causing arse hole from Grimsby or disgruntled Bury fans I’m not sure but don’t think they were scunny fans.

I noticed as soon as Hilton went off twitter a lot of the accounts which were newly created all magically disappeared, never to be seen again.

All seemed a bit suspect. I smelt a rat or shall I say many rats but whoever they were completed their goal and caused unrest due to Hilton not frequenting twitter anymore so I hope they’re happy with themselves.

Many who forced him off were Bury fans, but that didn’t stop some from claiming it was Scunny fans. The same fans who bemoan negativity, yet love to sow division in the fanbase.

I suggest you look at your previous posts

Yes. Being critical of fans who deride other fans for not being pro-Hilton enough is the cause of division. I should call for unity by slamming fans for not being pro Hilton enough, like you. ;-)

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Xxx wrote:

Siderite wrote:

Why does it sodding matter whether I agree or disagree with his decisions? He is a football club owner, not the messiah. I disagree with a lot, but that doesn’t mean I think things can’t improve. Nor does fans disagreeing with him mean forcing or wanting him out.

Except it was apparently one fan in that incident. More do slag him off online, but that’s what we have to accept in a free country, so long as it doesn’t cross a line. Every club has that, so this doesn’t mean fans are at fault and you referred to this incident as a reason to cut losses. As did some others, and I was disagreeing with it.

He gave reasons. Others disagreed, as is our right. We aren’t obliged to agree with him. This is a football club, not the Hilton cult. If we disagree with his ideas, it’s not our fault.

Given the 1899 scheme is such a great idea, I trust you have forked out for it? Looking at the numbers who have, it’s poor. Unsurprising, given the worries of current ground ownership, but I am sure it’s the fault of 3000 fans for not paying, not Hilton for a poorly planned idea (as it stands).

So who are you then

A person. ;-)

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WonderGoals wrote:

Awaywego, a lot of the crap he received on twitter was from newly created accounts and I don’t even think they were actually Scunny fans. Now whether they were trouble causing arse hole from Grimsby or disgruntled Bury fans I’m not sure but don’t think they were scunny fans.

I noticed as soon as Hilton went off twitter a lot of the accounts which were newly created all magically disappeared, never to be seen again.

All seemed a bit suspect. I smelt a rat or shall I say many rats but whoever they were completed their goal and caused unrest due to Hilton not frequenting twitter anymore so I hope they’re happy with themselves.

Many who forced him off were definitely Bury fans, but that didn’t stop some from claiming it was Scunny fans. The same fans who bemoan negativity, yet love to sow division in the fanbase.

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Why does it sodding matter whether I agree or disagree with his decisions? He is a football club owner, not the messiah. I disagree with a lot, but that doesn’t mean I think things can’t improve. Nor does fans disagreeing with him mean forcing or wanting him out.

Except it was apparently one fan in that incident. More do slag him off online, but that’s what we have to accept in a free country, so long as it doesn’t cross a line. Every club has that, so this doesn’t mean fans are at fault and you referred to this incident as a reason to cut losses. As did some others, and I was disagreeing with it.

He gave reasons for his decisions. Others disagreed, as is our right. We aren’t obliged to agree with him. This is a football club, not the Hilton cult. If we disagree with his ideas, it’s not our fault.

Given the 1899 scheme is such a great idea, I trust you have forked out for it? Looking at the numbers who have, it’s a poor return so far. Unsurprising, given the worries of current ground ownership, but I am sure it’s the fault of 3000 fans for not paying, not Hilton for a poorly planned idea (as it stands).

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No. Saying people are allowed to criticise or slag off Hilton online doesn’t mean “I want him out.” It doesn’t mean I agree with the slagging off either. I am just saying that critical and negative comments are a part of a free society, so long as it’s not racist, sexist, homophobic or personal abuse. I don’t think that is what has happened online.

Oh, and slagging him off online is different to doing so in the car. Hilton can happily ignore the former; no-one is compelling him to read such stuff.

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Some were speaking he should leave because of this one incident, which was just one idiot. Of course people slag him off online. This is the same for every club in the country. Often more so for clubs with bigger fanbases. Is it right? No, but it’s a free country and, as long as it doesn’t get too personal, it cannot be silenced. Such is freedom of speech.

And none of this shows anything close to me wanting him to fail.

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No. Thinking one fan being an abusive berk isn’t a good reason to quit and leave us in the lurch doesn’t mean I want him to fail. If I did, I’d be calling him to quit because of one idiotic fan, like Awaywego. ;-)

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