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With regards to bias, I am not sure if it’s 100% possible to be unbiased when offering an opinion on a hot topic. I certainly don’t think you’re as measured or as moderate as you may believe. You may say the same as me, such as it may be, but I am not the one dipping into conspiracy laden material here. Nor am I the one who has consistently pushed an angle which makes out any action against Trump is beyond limits.

It never was before when it came to Democrats for many, so I am sceptical of motive.

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All sides are equal in the law, but if Trump committed a crime it’s just like Nazi persecution really isn’t a measured position.

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“More seriously … my post WAS considered.”

I disagree. Ridiculous Nazi analogies are not measured and my disagreement isn’t going off on one. Irritated responses to spelling errors doesn’t come across as such either.

The rest just boils down to if a Republican is being investigated it’s bad for democracy. If we investigate a Republican it’s ‘going after an opponent.’ The same people were, of course, wanting investigations into Democrats for less, so their concerns do not really concern me. Apparently what’s good for democracy is to let someone who appears corrupt get away with corruption and call for insurrection. Opposing that is what’s really bad. And bone of what you say appears reasonable outside the loonier right.

There is a battle for he soul of American democracy, and many Republicans don’t care about it, evidently.

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I am aware of the biases of those who have claimed such to be suspicious. The right love making out it’s only the left with an agenda, while pertaining to be reasonable. It isn’t. Hunter Biden’s laptop has yielded nothing, outside of conspiracy spheres, regarding material worthy of indictment. It is clear now that Trump has, and all that’s left are coping strategies to deflect. If something of note comes from Hunter Biden’s laptop, then Biden may well be fair game, and you won’t get me complaining about how this is some political assassination, if the charges are fair. The charges so far do seem worthy for charging really.

The fact is that ignoring corruption when it’s their candidate is another hallmark of dictatorships. Honest investigation isn’t, and those who try and use Nazi analogies to compare just cheapen the memory of a dark period.

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Those, of all political persuasions cheapen what the Nazis did with their crass comparisons to that regime. It cheapens the horrors suffered by the Jews and it’s only done to demonise others and those using it only expose their own narrow mindedness and bias.

Trans people are not going through a genocide like the Jews, the EU is not like Nazi Germany, leaving the EU is not like Nazi Germany, Trump being indicted isn’t like Nazis attacking political opponents, since there is enough suspicion to investigate, government rhetoric about immigrants is bad, but it is not that of Nazis.

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It’s completely unthinkable that someone of such upstanding as Trump would engage in hush payments and falsifying business records. Surely Trump cannot possibly be corrupt? Investigating that is just like the Nazis. And this is supposedly the ‘measured’ take. Ludicrous.

“Republicans are against the law,

Above the law. More brain farts.

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Thank goodness we have the totally unbiased JI here to jump in and assume I am thinking of him, and come up with the totally non-partisan interpretation that Republicans should be above the law.

I am sure the deep research involves why dealings of Trump should never be investigated, and anyone who thinks a Republican should face investigation is the real partisan one, not JI.

Republicans are against the law, and if you think otherwise you’re just like the Nazis. More inappropriate use of Nazi analogies. Disgusting when Linekar does it (which I did think was crass and uncalled for), but ok when it’s the right. Noted.

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Forever on loop with supporting SUFC

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I know. I was correcting my own brain fart.

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“Poor Trump persecuted for not being able to be above the law like everyone else.”

That should be unlike.

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Joe Biden, who can put together more articulate talk than Trump.

Poor Trump persecuted for not being able to be above the law like everyone else.

And it was Trump’s nature which caused people to be energised to vote him out in 2020 and the Republicans to have a weak midterms, so the Democrats would be quite happy for him to motivate the base.

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Why do people think the end goal is to merge us with Ilkeston? What sense does that make? I agree we need to be sceptical, and I will only support a short term base at Ilkeston. However, I cannot see the sense in moving a club with more potential than Ilkeston to an area where they can’t get more support.

Wimbledon to Milton Keynes worked to some degree because London was saturated with clubs and Milton Keynes is a big place with fewer draws from the outside (not like that was right). Ilkeston has little pull in an area containing Derby, Notts Forest and County. Scunthorpe has more potential than that.

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Well, that has damaged the good will I gave him from that interview. That is not on; I thought he had learned from the Nelson debacle.

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I don’t think it’s disrespectful to want answers to questions about how he is running the club, when new schemes come out. It’s also in Hilton’s interest to counter harmful rumours, which were not started by Scunny fans. It’s not negative to ask questions. It can build positivity and Hilton’s interview increased mine, so credit to him.

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Wow,the people he was talking about are very noisy already.

If you’re including me in that, I can say that I have now listened to the interview and left it pleased and reassured. I will also think you’ll find he was laying most blame at outsiders, like Bury fans, for causing issues. I don’t think there are any Bury fans on here, so I doubt the people he was talking about are on here.

I know some will say it’s only words, like we had with Swann, so why trust it? However, anyone coming in will only have words until they back it up with action and we can’t just distrust anyone right from the off. We should ask questions and have scepticism, this is healthy, but we can’t write him off. My concern stemmed from a lack of communication since the takeover with things seemingly happening out of the blue, which was always going to cause worry after the problematic period we have faced. I am pleased he has now answered a lot of it and quelled some of the rumours flying around. This was what I wanted and was concerned by, and as he has answered it well, I am happy. He was honest, frank and didn’t promise the world, which creates trust.

I also don’t get the bemoaning from some quarters about him backing Dean. Of course he was going to do that, and it’s good he did. We don’t want the chairman unsettling the manager in an interview. I have concerns about Dean’s capability, but it’s right that the chairman gives him a chance to succeed. I am sure if Dean fails in the longer run, Hilton would find a replacement. Under Swann we were too liberal with the sack, and most seemed to realise that by the end, so I am thankful Hilton doesn’t appear to be like that.

Though, I am sure this isn’t good enough for you bpg; you have made it clear that having concerns is not good enough and makes us abusive trolls. I try to be self-critical, but I don’t think I have said anything which is doom mongering and think my outlook is positive. I am pleased Hilton has answered the critics and I hope he continues to communicate with us in a good manner, which does sound likely with his fans forums.

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I didn’t realise bpg owned this football club. :-)

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That doesn’t suit his agenda.

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This is not to say we shouldn’t be sceptical of Hilton, and I have put forth my own concerns, but we can’t write him off just yet.

The new club owner of barely three months must be heartily relieved he isn’t being written off just yet. FFS

What is so preposterous about my statement when people like Rene seem determined to write him off and have done since day one?

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No, but are also wanting to see the worst for glee in many cases.

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The one difference between Hilton and Swann is the former actually followed through with his promises at his previous club, while the latter fluffed at Gainsborough and was full of excuses.

This is not to say we shouldn’t be sceptical of Hilton, and I have put forth my own concerns, but we can’t write him off just yet.

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I doubt any cod will be as invested in our misery as you, Rene. ;-)

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That’s a bit harsh. It’s not like Scunny is known for being well to do.

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His post-match interview was pathetic. I am sure some of it was true, but as manager he holds the buck. We saw great success with Adkins’ man management, no matter the result. Can you imagine him throwing the players under the bus like Dean has done? No, and I don’t think the entirety is the fault of the players; it’s Dean with the clueless tactics and awful substitutions.

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With all due respect, you are not going to get an overly positive feedback on here if you make sly digs at the fans for bickering. And it’s only the internet. Look at our recent games, especially away, and we seem quite united in backing the team. We have taken 3000 fans in total to two, admittedly localish, games this past week despite being rubbish and having 2 away wins in 2 years or so. Opposition praised our fans for the support and atmosphere. While on here and twitter it’s fraught, it is less so at the game.

What do you expect anyway? We have been through the mill with Swann, fearing we won’t have a club. Hilton has come in and stopped the rot (at least for now), and that is great. However, it doesn’t give him free reign without scepticism for anything he does. The positive actions at Ilkeston served as some hope that he’d do similar here. It does not make him immune to questioning over concerns, which can be quashed if he communicated clearly with the fans. That hasn’t happened so far and now we have rumours and many not knowing what to believe. Retorting with his great actions at Ilkeston won’t address the questions over the here and now.

You may not be the chairman of Ilkeston, but responding to concerns about his management of our club by singing his praises is going to raise suspicions among the more paranoid.

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Blind and unquestioning ‘positivity’ is what caused us to be hoodwinked by Swann. Wanting clarity isn’t negativity. There’s a difference between that and Rene looking for reasons to be upset no matter what.

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Dunno about anyone else but I’d much rather the new owner did his talking via the team on the pitch rather than through hypothetical ideas on the future of the club.

Come May, once the dust has settled on this strange season, the chairman and his staff can sit down and begin to put forward a strategy.

I can wait another 4-6 weeks.

So would I, but if he’s coming up with ideas like the 1899 scheme and moving operations to Ilkeston I would like to know what’s going on with some proper detail. It would be one way to stop any false rumours.

And no, Patrick, this is not me stabbing him in the back. As fans we are entitled to know what he intends with such brainstorms, no matter how fabulous he was at Ilkeston.

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Not repeating any of the rumours, but it’s past time in giving Hilton benefit of the doubt or endlessly thanking him for being a saviour. Some scepticism is needed.

There has been precious little communication from him since arriving, and this 1899 scheme was not clearly explained. We are right to have questions and concerns about who owns the ground and how Hilton plans on sustaining the club. I thought his time at Ilkeston showed promise, but that doesn’t mean anything if the current concerns aren’t addressed with evidence. Past glories don’t rectify current issues.

I do appreciate some were wanting to jump on the back of him straight away, but there’s a middle between the two extremes.

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I stopped watching the Iron for a couple of years – just a handful of games that sent me to sleep. Came back just before Jimmy Dean came in. All the games have been entertaining,even the game we lost at home. We were certainties for relegation before he came,but he has brought the entertainment value back to the club in a short period of time.He needs time and what I’ve seen i am still optimistic for the future.

We were in better form with Nelson, to be fair.

It was always a tough ask with Dean. The disappointing thing with him are the rudimentary mistakes, which may indicate him being out of his depth. Of course he might learn from them, but they are worrying.

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The totalitarian neo-Marxist state should have a word with them and tell them that this is not part of the dastardly plan. :-)

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