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It is not necessarily lack of effort, and players have different roles. Marine had tired for the last 25-30 minutes. That could well have allowed Whitehall the opportunity to find space and be more of a threat.

The problem in this is that some seem to speak as if there is no room for nuance between Whitehall is 100% good or 100% bad. The last 30 minutes of yesterday showed he can be a danger. However, the performance before that was not good and Beestin was outshining at that point. It’s up to the manager and it wouldn’t be outrageous or a shock for Butler to stick with Whitehall, but with Beestin playing consistently and well (plus scoring 2 against Brackley) and Carlton having potential, Whitehall needs to up his consistency in my opinion. None of this is me saying he is a bad player.

We all make mistakes, as I did when I misread the second part of awaywego’s previous post directed at TJO, so it’s not about saying Whitehall is atrocious. He has good aspects and towards the end he showed that. Let’s have more of that.

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I knew that was sarcastic and made zero reference to it. I live on a planet where him being outmuscled, rubbish at passing and breaking up play wasn’t a good performance for a large chunk of the game. Not saying he’s rubbish all the time, it’s not black and white good or bad, he just was a problem yesterday for a while.

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Cant understand the downer on Whitehall (well I can really) what more do want him to do if nothing else read the report on the owp, perfect pass to Roberts for disallowed goal, unlucky not to score on 60 mins, scored, then fed fishy for his goal. Wtf up with you.
Hope he does an Hilton and stops paying sorry I meant playing and gets a move away.
Ivan Toney was shite as well lol.

I would like him to be able to pass, and hold up the ball. I am not saying he is useless, his goal and role in the last goal shows he has worth, but for the first half and the first 20 minutes of the second half he was a liability. Anonymous until later, disrupting the flow of our attacks with rubbish passes or getting easily managed out of the game. It’s not a matter of him being ‘rubbish’, he isn’t for this level at all, it’s just a critique based on what I thought was a poor performance until around minute 65. He has good aspects of his play (e.g. finishing), but some frustrating ones that were hindering us a lot until the last part of the game. At least in my opinion.

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There were shouts of “there is only one John Staff”, but that is to be welcomed. Fitting tribute to a legend.

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Good win against a decent team, who will probably be midtable at the end of the season based on their performance today. The sort of team we struggled to break down last season, so I am pleased we had a convincing win. Butler’s plan to boost fitness seems to be working so far, as I think that was a key difference towards the end as Marine tired.

Roberts is struggling at centre attacking mid and Whitehall took his goal well, but his overall play needs improving. Struggling with headers, strength, passing and controlling the ball. That goal showed his strengths in finishing, but with Beestin playing like that and Carlton waiting in the wings, he needs to be more consistent throughout the game. I like Nicholson and Clunan seems to be stepping it up.

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Iron-awe, Cliff Byrne's Right Peg, MK Iron, billpuntonsghost, Deereyme66

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If you don’t pay for privileges, you shouldn’t expect privileges. There’s no outrage here, unless you’re looking for it.

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Just Iron

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Well, one of them is Herbert.

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Because we fell short last season and, if the new signings outperform past players, we might not this one?

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Makes a change from the doom mongering though.

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I find it funny that you think you are some arbiter. For myself, I have been making points against it elsewhere and, frankly, didn’t see the need to post it on here. Partly because I don’t think I have anything to add, have called out anti-Muslim crap before and because debate on here is absolutely pointless. You’re one of those who are just not interested in anything to the contrary, just twisting words and point scoring. No different to bpg’s wind ups, little is any kind of good faith. The ‘gotcha’ and satisfaction of that is all you’re interested in. It’s pointless engaging, and maybe it’s pointless responding here.

There’s also the matter that anyone who dismissed antisemitism has little credibility when playing the self-righteous card too, so I don’t really pay attention to such moral grandstanding from those with selective caring. A whole year of people chanting anti-Jewish hate, vandalising cinemas showing Oct 7th atrocities, vandalising synagogues, barring Jews from campuses and more, yet this gets made out to be “legitimate criticism of Israel” and smears of the most moral people. Outside the bubble of those who call themselves ‘anti-racists’ on the left, more are not caring about their self-proclamations when it’s a load of rubbish.

One thing I did say was that such lack of care towards antisemitism will have others think they can get away with their own bigotries and it’s perhaps unsurprising that the anti-Muslim elements are now becoming vocal ever since. They will justify it in their own heads by pointing to the hypocrisies on the left over Jews. That seems to be happening.

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Silly

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Now the disinfo merchants are spreading fake news about planned protests. Birmingham yesterday, Scunthorpe today by the sounds of it. Agitating communities. I wouldn’t be surprised if the sources of this disinfo came from a certain country with a love of vodka.

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On a non-footballing side note the catering was well wide of the mark tonight. Girl serving looked like she was going to go into cardiac arrest at half time and the food was taking far too long to get out. Might the incinerated goat rise like a phoenix from the ashes next season?

I doubt the club would have the Goat back after their issues off the field. Saying no more.

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For Druze in the Golan Heights that is the case, but those outside do predominantly identify as Israeli. They tend to be quite pro-Israel too in the rest of Israel.

There are issues with settlers causing issues in the West Bank, and ultimately I think a two state solution would be necessary for peace and reconciliation. Though, there is a slight difference in that Netanyahu would say that he isn’t directly ordering killing in the West Bank, since most of the issues comes from mobs not acting on specific government orders. However, that doesn’t erase concerns of how Netanyahu and the Likudists are encouraging actions there and seem powerless and unwilling to stop it. Hezbollah, however, deliberately launched such missiles which killed Druze.

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We can still be upset and outraged when a non-western aligned force commits atrocities. Sadness should not be dependent on who’s allied to whom. It seems rather isolationist to set our outrage to whatever the the UK and its allies does and refuse to care otherwise. I think it’s better to find a solution that can lead to more likely peace. It’s not about ‘sides’, it’s about finding a workable solution and just focussing on Israel (and vice versa) will solve nothing. UK stops giving the very little military aid provides and peace won’t happen. We cease our alliance and nothing will change. Israel stops and nothing will happen if nothing with Iran and its proxies changes. Israel removes Netanyahu and becoming more liberal will do little if Hamas and ‘resistance’ continues because there is a refusal to even entertain the existence of Israel in this scenario. It may suit some to say we’re not supporting Israel, if we were to abandon, but there would still be pain on both sides and it would still be horrible.

Myopia and tunnel visioning on the ‘evil west’ just leads to bias and excusing of whatever the non-western aligned side does, even when it’s important to the issue. It’s not about finding a solution, it’s about attacking whatever the ‘evil west’ does.

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*and now they are attacking

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Can’t trust the ‘MSM’, but can trust some obscure twitter account with no editorial standards or sources though.

It was only a week ago when some of those who defended a policeman stomping on the head of a thug are attacking the police.

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Frankly, I don’t think you have a clue about the situation. Iranian proxies in Lebanon have been launching missiles at Israel for months, then one struck a playground with Druze children in last week. This is a response to that, so to come on and speak of how evil Israel is causing the escalations shows at best an ignorant understanding. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that recent attacks on poor Hamas and allied loons has come after that. It may be unwise, I am not an expert, but it’s impossible to separate from the actions of Iran and its proxies. It’s ridiculous to wail with outrage when Israel respond when you say sod all on how Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have engaged themselves in this conflict too. You, in this thread, posted that you understand countries like Iran ‘defending’ itself when it is an aggressor. It’s this which makes me take a dim view, because you don’t seem to acknowledge any of that and makes me think you have a huge bias and I could say more, but I don’t want to inflame things further.

None of this means I think there aren’t huge issues with Israel’s conduct. I am aware and horrified by the recent serious and credible allegations of torture of Palestinian detainees. As with the response for some right wing Israelis to rush in and protect suspects from facing retribution. The continued re-evacuations of Palestinians shows a military campaign that isn’t working in its objectives, the ransacking of homes is terrible and there have been cases where there have been catastrophic errors in judgement over targets and that is condemnable. The best solution is of course a ceasefire, but it has to be a realistic one and there have been ones accepted by Israel presented to Hamas, but all get rejected or given demands in return that won’t work. Yet the ‘peace lovers’ never care about that.

This war needs a mutual solution, because the acts on Oct 7th and continued missile fire from Hezbollah and action by Hamas cannot be just forgotten or erased. That’s what started the war and the solution to it needs to be found (release of hostages being key) A ceasefire without unconditional release of hostages is unworkable. For any chance of long term peace Israel will need to change in so many ways, include dispensing the deplorable Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir lot, as well as settler action in the West Bank, among other things. However, similarly, Palestinian groups like Hamas will need to abandon ‘resistance’ and dreams of destroying Israel, inducting its adherents into a martyrdom cult that convinces them that they can die for the cause and mutual cooperation. There have been wrongs committed by both, but I am more bothered about the claims of torture of detainees than Hamas leaders being targeted in Iranian compounds and the like when Iran is itself an aggressor. It’s not the same as taking them out in neutral British territory, since we are not an aggressor in this war. My own disgust in the actions of Hamas is because they have created this war and how that impacts Palestinians, so no I don’t think my anger based on them for creating this horrible situation is remotely like Tommy, who won’t care no matter the slander.

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Come on Tommy Farage how far can they go to “protect” themselves?

Idiot

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Evil USA took Osama out in Pakistan too. If countries harbour massacring war criminals and start a war this is likely. I don’t give a rat’s arse about lunatic Islamists who start pogroms and call for martyrs to give their lives while they hoard wealth in their mansions. It may be an unwise tactical decision, I am no expert, but I don’t give a hoot about this as I wouldn’t have done with Reinhard Heydrich when the Czechoslovaks got him. Yet you seem to think this is an outrage, but were noticably not so about Oct 7th undertaken by Iranian proxies and think a response to a consequence is to sympathise with Iran for ‘defending itself’. And, no I don’t give a damn about saying you bemoan terrorists when you just launch slander after slander.

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None, because I applauded zero. I have said many a time that Israel is acting like the US in the war on terror, which should be a signal that I don’t think the response is right. However, deflect all you like because you’re upset about an Islamist being targeted with no collateral damage in this instance in a regional war already sparked by Iran.

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It was a precision strike in this case, so it wasn’t a carpet bomb, but why let the truth get in the way of slander, eh? It’s funny how you bemoan ‘smearing’ but seem happy with doing it yourself. But, no, I am not upset about the death of someone who brought war and misery to Israelis and Palestinians. Seemingly you don’t particularly care about that. You’re more bothered about the death of a loon who launched mass rapes and killings and said he wanted more ‘martyrs’ for his death cult. So, no, I don’t care about his passing as much as I wouldn’t have Reinhard Heydrich, but that means I support Muslim slaughter because I don’t want someone to slaughter others or cause others to be slaughtered.

As for Tommy Robinson, your bigoted assumptions suit him entirely.

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I knew you’d be unhappy about an Islamist terrorist being taken out who wanted more dead Palestinians and Israelis.

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https://x.com/PeterGarbacz/status/1818742305060536368

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Rumours are that he’s off to Ipswich. One year left on his contract, so a fee would be involved.

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Hilton made excuses for the ground not being bought, yet these excuses were resolved by Harness in a month. That’s not ‘rewriting history’, it is what happened. Dodgy Dave failed, though he wasn’t ever interested in having the club succeed.

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Highest bid that ultimately didn’t matter, because much of that was for the stadium and he pretty much immediately found excuses for that with the ‘ransom strip’ that was miraculously fixed easier than it was made out when Harness bought it. Almost as if it was an excuse by Hilton.

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Ferrite

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lol

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Seemingly Glanford Park is part of the global conspiracy of lizardmen to bring in the great totalitarian state of neo-Marxism via capitalist economics. Harness will be attending the WEF this year, no doubt.

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You mean the thread where you claimed most were excluded from the opportunity only for them not to be excluded?

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