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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Is Butler the new Dean?

    A spell taking Donny’s girls.
    A spell (18 games) as caretaker at Donny with a win percentage of 22%
    A spell as YDP Coach with the Iron

    Was his the best CV.
    Was he the best candidate.
    Was he just the cheapest option.

    I can’t see us being promoted.
    We don’t have the quality & experience on the pitch or in the ‘boot room’.

    I don’t… but it won’t take much for people to start getting twitchy.

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    Dean when appointed had a win ratio of 16% and an open chequebook.

    Butler hasn’t got to 18 games yet and has lost a few players, we’ll see.

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    Michelle herself said in an interview that the decision to get rid of Dean and his staff was due to budget so it stands to reason Butler was brought in as a cheap(er) replacement. They must not have heard the saying ‘buy cheap buy twice’.

    I’m convinced we could have attracted someone with a far superior CV, but maybe Butler is doing it for peanuts in an attempt to advance his own career?

    I think Lee Turnbull likely advised the board and probably wanted a manager with little experience to cement his own position in ‘recruitment’. Most managers worth their salt would tell Turnbull where to go and do their own recruiting but with inexperienced Butler as manager Turnbull is guaranteed to be lingering around like a fart in a taxi for at least another season, to supervise.

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    #291423
    mistertonmickmistertonmick
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    Cheaper option, not necessarily wage wise but one wage against three

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    ‘Michelle herself said in an interview that the decision to get rid of Dean and his staff was due to budget’.

    Did she actually say that? Not how I remember it. Thought it was along the lines of discussions and his proposals they couldn’t agree with or accept? As opposed to simply ‘budget’.

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    Roj said when they looked at Dean’s proposals holistically; Dean, the management team, the budget, they couldn’t accept it. Not saying budget wasn’t a key factor, it clearly was, but it wasn’t quite as simple as that is all I’m saying

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    Just signed a contract extension till the end of the 25/26 season.
    Could/Should have waited a bit imo, maybe he didn’t ask to strengthen the squad in the last month and that did the trick, is everyone fully fit again?

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    Maybe had to commit to seeing out the season with this squad?

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    The reason Dean got the sack way because he was the worst manager the club has had.Is he doing well at Spalding?

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    Lol, 414 post incoming? Come on, let’s be ‘avin you!!!

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    #291540
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    Strange timing for a contract extension

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    Maybe not. I’m sure it will get raised at the fans forum

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Strange timing for a contract extension

    Statement from Michelle to follow should explain, one year in charge, showing fans the way forward under the new board and how things are going to run?. Despite all our opinions on here the board have to run things how they see fit and in a way they consider is the best business model for the clubs survival going forward, as usual wait and see.

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    Just read these comments and wondered whether anyone has looked at the NLN League Table recently or reflected that until the new board came a year ago the club was dead in the water.

    Come on. Why not be positive for once

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    cliffbyrnesrightpegCliff Byrne’s Right Peg
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    In an otherwise excellent statement, it does little to justify a contract extension at this stage in the season.

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    Should it need anymore justification? The naysayers and critics who never wanted Butler in the first place are already sticking the boot in at any opportunity. If the Board have every faith in him and Schofield to be at the club beyond this season to provide stability and assurances to the players and supporters, it’s a good move. What’s the alternative? Wait for how long and have the sword hanging over them and go through the same old managerial instability we had under Swann?

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    Similar to why I was shocked Jimmy got an extension in January, the expectation is promotion and the last thing we need is to be paying another 2 members of staff for a year if they are sacked this season.

    Butler’s had a good start and I’m more than happy with the appointment, but an extension after 8/9 games doesn’t make much sense.

    The alternative is surely just wait and see how we progress through the season before offering out deals.

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    Unless they’re going to be a complete disaster and need to be paid off, which the Board clearly don’t think they will be based on what they’ve seen so far, the pros outweigh the cons IMO

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    The complete disaster would be not gaining promotion, did for Jimmy last season should do the same if Butler fails this season.
    After the last months performances today’s decision offers what assurances to fans exactly,
    Already proved by giving jimmy his extension a lack of judgement you win f all in January, reward success of course but why anything else.

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    Crazy decision!!!

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    The complete disaster would be not gaining promotion, did for Jimmy last season should do the same if Butler fails this season.
    After the last months performances today’s decision offers what assurances to fans exactly,
    Already proved by giving jimmy his extension a lack of judgement you win f all in January, reward success of course but why anything else.

    IMO this decision is a tad premature especially looking at the recent unconvincing performances.. YES i know we are top ov the league BLA BLA BLA but if we dont change things and shape up we wont be there much longer.. desperately need a coupe of signings one has to be a striker as couldnt hit a pigs arse with a shovel at the moment.

    I also tend to agree with 414 re LT .. signings havent been good to date and if his salary was production based he would owe the club money.. job for the boys ???

    Wait to see how AB lines up at home today … more so players reaction to last 2 games which have been abysmal.

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    Just read Michelle’s statement, quite humbling I thought, nice to see praise given out especially to Stu and his wife he’s hammered everything to the oomph degree so annoying in the early days but to great amusement now more like a soap opera.
    Obviously for me not my business model but sure it will suit most.
    On a positive note from me,2 more grandsons going today for their first game let’s hope they like it, shan’t be there to take them myself as per normal im on mi hols.

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    Yes indeed a strange timing for a new contract/extension, lets hope the results don’t continue in the same vein as the last two games. Or else things will be rather sticky.
    Just need to trust the board as they have done a decent job so far.

    Surely using that contract money on the playing side would have been more advantageous? As many have stated a striker would have been more beneficial than a contract extension.

    Take ETH at MU getting an extension in summer for them just to be absolutely DS this season.
    Do wonder why mediocrity gets rewarded in todays life.

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    How does extending a contract reduce player budget? Unless they are being paid more than before?

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    I thought we should be looking more short term as in making sure we are go up.

    Which looking at things the squad needs an extra body or two?

    As you state it shouldn’t reduce the playing budget but as we can all see we are short.

    Anyway see how they get on today. A win and top performance would be great to set up a big game next week.

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    Definitely need a tough midfielder and forward. Hope they’re making progress with that.

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    A year ago our club was almost dead thanks to Swan and Hilton, these new board members rescued our club from the brink and gave us hope for the future. The business model they have introduced since must be working or we would have gone bang by now so despite eveybody being perfectley entitled to their opinion, I think giving the new board time to complete the restructure and attempting to push us toward prolonged sustainability should be our greatest priority. They have appointed and since extended the contract of a fairly inexperienced young manager who has done very well so far but alongside him they have appointed and since extended the contract of a very experienced and well respected coach. This seems sensible and fair and must fall in line with the boards sustainability model or else why would they have done it?. Things always seem easily apparent when not closely involved with the fine details of running a football club and it’s survival, just keep backing them because if not we risk the fantastic unity created between club and supporters which is our biggest asset in our current situation. We all want success and nobody is disputing that but give them time and space to help make it all work, remember it’s having a club to support or being in a similar situation a year ago if they get things wrong by not being prudent.

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    The business model of spend less charge more can only take you so far.
    And I believe that is the national league max, someone who says they know George stated that new owners with bigger pockets would be needed than they are prepared to finance.
    Just hope I’m round long enough to see that happen.

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    The finances in football now is a lot and money is needed even to get out the national league. However, it must also balance the sustainability of the club for a long term future.

    What is for sure is the approaches of bring in shiny things to distract from background malaise, as seen under Hilton, and outright gambles to make it to the promised land and fail, as seen under Swann, led to us being one of the biggest calamities in professional football in the 21st century.

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    Anyway see how they get on today. A win and top performance would be great to set up a big game next week.

    Only if we arrange a friendly!

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