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Let's rejoin the EU to get net migration down to more sustainable levels! pic.twitter.com/GBKvkGPVnZ

— Pawel Swidlicki (@pswidlicki) November 23, 2023

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cassidystash wrote:

lesgeo wrote:

Ref – four notches below the dizzy heights of average!
Inconsistency was unbelievable.
No red for the thug at the end? – 2/10.

Just listened to Jim Bentley’s post match interview.
“Referee was exceptional, one of the best we’ve had”

Funny old game innit?

Exceptional can mean, quote. not like most others of the same type; unusual.
So was Bentley’s reference in the positive or the negative?
Do we give him the benefit of the doubt?

Naah!

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Southport’s best chances were created by, yes you’ve guessed it.
Us.
At times it was quite scary. A better team would have buried them.
Agree about the ref, did anyone get a card?

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Awaywego

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Plymiron wrote:

Just the 7 – failed miserably on the european grounds – as for snow in Brighton unheard of :)

Not to worry, Man United often fail miserably on European grounds.

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Northumbiron

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SPOILER ALERT!

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SODIron

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I’d just like to point out that it was “the left leaning types” along with some others that came to the aid of the Jewish community in and around Cable Street in London to protect them from the British Union of Fascists.
Whether that was just to make a political point is to be discussed.
The point being, if you are in any sort of minority, don’t rely on “the right” to come to your aid.

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Google? Books from Amazon?
I get my information from my Bible (not from Amazon by the way).

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I think it’s called upcycling now.

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If she was seriously poor where does that put the rest of the dross we’ve seen this season.

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bartonscorpion

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I have made no anti Jewish statement, I have however been critical of the Israeli government, I don’t claim to have a high moral standpoint, I have too many faults.
I do however speak out for the oppressed, those who have been bullied and discriminated against. That would be for Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians etc.
As I said, all you have to offer is despair, no solutions, malignancy and no healing.
If you want the dog to stop biting, stop kicking the dog.

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You’re actually talking about a stateless people who have been oppressed since 1948 an are living in refugee camps.
You completely ignore the fact that Christians, Jews and other non Muslims were on the march.
Your hatred of Palestinians is so pronounced that you’re blind to it.
I find your posts depressing and lacking in hope. As I’ve said before, it’s not a football match, lives are continuing to be lost, to what end? How will it finish?

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Heath

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/my-life-has-been-defined-by-genocide-of-jewish-people-i-look-on-gaza-with-concern/ar-AA1jKN5T?ocid=emmx-mmx-feeds&PC=EMMX01

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Siderite wrote:

Whatever the opinion of Israel’s response, that doesn’t address the point of how there can be a long lasting peace if Hamas keep breaking it and signal that they intend to do so.

How about trying to understand and address any grievances, real or perceived.
It happened in South Africa, the US and even in Northern Ireland.
Happy people don’t develop terrorism.
There are evil violent people waiting for an opportunity to impose themselves on others, don’t give them that opportunity.

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bartonscorpion wrote:

I must admit that I am really disappointed that only Iron-Awe has attacked me, he is correct in saying that I live in the past, yes those were the times when we could afford to eat well, have a new house built when still in our early twenties, enjoy our jobs, easily pay our mortgages and elect / gas bills, enjoy our spare time without looking at a tv, lapton, notebook or telephone in our faces 15 hours a day, have a nice car with petrol being 25 litrs for £1, and not having 400,000 imigrants entering our shores per year, with 45,000 paying crooks to bring them to our shores, and our tax payers keeping 65,000 of them in hotels at a cost of over £8 million per day. Yes Iron-Awe they were the days, and there were no protests marching in masses for the likes of Hammas, lets see what bile that brings back from you I-A.
He is about the only member of the Forum Six that still cannot bare any other view but his own.

I am not a Jew, not am I a Muslim, I am however a Christian.
Should I ignore the plight of Palestinian Christians? If I plead for a ceasefire am I supporting Hamas?
Palestinian Christians are treated no better than their Muslim brothers.
If you went to Bethlehem at Christmas who would you see at the church of the Nativity?
If you went to Jerusalem at Easter, who would you see at the church of the holy sepulchre?
Yes, that’s right, Palestinian Christians.
I support a ceasefire, I support those who march for a ceasefire.
Hamas is a hateful terrorist organisation, Israel is supposed to be a civilized, democratic country, they are supposed to be the adults in the room.
Stop the killing.

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I wish a few more MPs would “speak their minds”, that way we can make an informed decision on who not to vote for.
The current Tory front bench are trembling in their shoes.

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Iron-awe wrote:

Always good for a laugh ( most of the time ) BS believes Braverman says what most people think, really? You provide no evidence whatsoever but I’m sure your little right wing stuck in the past small circle of old men may think similar. The world moves on, BS as ever is stuck miles behind.

Yes he’s definitely not one of the “Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati”
The woman is a nightmare, she needs to be sacked, again.

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Awaywego wrote:

To me it would suggest Jimmy’s done his homework and he realizes that it’s very rare you need to sub your keeper, so an extra outfield player gives him more options.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/17/scunthorpe-united-bristol-city-league-one-match-report

I still have nightmares.

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I stand corrected.

So that makes the Palestinians Semetic which the Philistines definitely were not?

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Another poignant thought.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-cemetery-containing-more-than-3-000-graves-of-british-and-commonwealth-servicemen-killed-during-first-world-war-is-damaged-in-the-latest-israel-hamas-fighting/ar-AA1jxu3I?ocid=emmx-mmx-feeds&PC=EMMX01

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Siderite wrote:

I wouldn’t call the British Mandate of Palestine a country in its own right. It was part of the British Empire and not subject to its own control. Before then it was part of the Ottoman Empire and before then it was part of Egyptian led Mameluk Empire. Going further back, the first mention of Palestine was from the Roman Empire, who used it to replace the name of Israel to quash Jewish rebellions against Rome.

None of this is to delegitimise Palestine’s existence, there should be a two-state solution, but it doesn’t delegitimise Israel’s existence either. Jews have existed in the ‘Holy land’ for centuries and most of Israel’s Jews do not actually hail from Europe, but from North Africa and the Middle-East.

The Brits flip-flopped over the mandate and made various promises to different groups. By the end they were not so pro-Israel and the state was only created after Israelis, USA and the UN pushed on it. Before then, I have read tales of Jewish immigrants in Cyprus kept in poor conditions as they tried to go to Israel. It should also be obvious why they were fleeing Europe in the late 40s. There could have been peace there and then, but hostility was there from the start from other Arab states. Was all of it good from the Israeli side? No, I am aware of population resettlements (though, it was not one-sided), but the idea that this somehow delegitimises Israel? Nah.

The states around them were also subject to being created through French and British interests, such as Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. This too has created parts of the country with sects who might want their own nation state, divided by these past decrees. See the Kurds in northern Iraq and Syria, for example. Yet the bemoaning about this is far less.

Regardless, grievance mongering is not creating any hope of peace in the region. Israel is here to stay, and as much as they need to stop things like the settlements of the West Bank and its own divisive rhetoric, the destructive talk of Hamas and its supporters is only creating future hate.

To be perfectly accurate there wasn’t a country called Israel until recent times, Israel was a people named after Jacob who became Israel.
There were the tribes of Israel and the tribes of Judah, all had their own areas named after the sons of Jacob/Israel.
Nearby were the Philistines (Palestinians).
Before all this there was Canaan and Phoenicia.
All very complicated and as with anywhere else in the world, it’s very difficult to claim ancient rights.
Of course Melanie Phillips will have a totally different view.

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I remember years ago seeing, on TV, phosphorus raining down on a UN camp in Gaza while a BBC reporter and cameraman took shelter.
Phosphorus burns the flesh very badly, it then becomes embedded in the flesh and becomes inert (because of the liquid in the body). When surgeons try to extract it the phosphorus flares up again burning the victim again and also the medics.

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We’ve been here before, after the six day war.
It didn’t work then and it won’t work now.
The only way it can work is by subjugation and suppression. Not a very satisfactory thought.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Just an observation, when either Israeli or Palestinian officials are questioned on detail by TV or radio interviewers they often get angry and defensive. So should an impartial viewer trust both or neither? Haven’t both been found to have fabricated facts in the past? Please don’t take that to mean I trust Hamas. I really don’t. I’m also not questioning the figures from the 7 Oct atrocity either.

I would certainly not trust either, Hamas are just terrorists, this Israeli adminstration are just liars, (really gives me doubts about proportional representation).
Add to that our own government, the Americans, Russians, Chinese etc. All of them have played fast and loose with the truth.

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We need everyone there, no excuses.

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https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/october/win-a-captain-sponsorship-package-for-bishops-stortford-home-clash/

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I wouldn’t go as far as to say the writers of the canonical gospels were unknown, someone must have known them.
There are indeed many other gospels known as apocryphal including Thomas and James. The word apocrypha means of dubious source, so the early church settled on the four that we know.

Oh and Joseph was not an Galilean but a Judean even though he lived in Nazareth so was required to go to Bethlehem in Judea.

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I don’t normally get involved with this conversation but to say that none of the evangelists were alive at the time is incorrect. Matthew and John were disciples.
I often hear statements about the bible that are incorrect but are left unchallenged because of lack of knowledge.

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What do you expect from a “minister” with a picture of Baruch Goldstein on his office wall.
Equally odious as Hamas.

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It’s getting near mischief night, must be practicing.

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64 wrote:

yep it’s all lies ,unless Israeli sources say so. “I support Israel”
I saw the Israeli UK ambassador on Sky news, how they’ve manged to dehumanise Palestinians in their minds is quite alarming. It’s like the think they are clearing away rats

Melanie Phillips has been doing this for years. Dismissing their very existence.

The Oslo accord died with the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.

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