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This question of whether fans should care about DH’s past and present gets to the heart of whether you support just the shirt, or whether you care about the club as a community asset; its people, values, local importance, reputation and so on.
If you only support the shirt, and clap whether it’s good, bad or ugly on or off the field, then fine.
But, those who see the club as a community asset which brings people together, develops youngsters’ attitudes, skills and careers, provides entertainment and jobs, and generally gives an identity, pride and occasionally hope to the place, are rightly concerned about the owner. This is particularly so while recovering from an abusive relationship with Swann, and the decline from Championship to NLN in some 12 years.
There’s history on here of slavish support for disastrous leaders. Not just in football but in politics too, despite many more sensible voices warning of the dangers. The clarity and proof offered by IB’s posts is a welcome voice of sanity, and a weapon against the collective denial of reality in favour of ‘belief’ which has been as fashionable as it has been foolish in recent years.3 users thanked author for this post.
Where do we start? Some great stuff above.
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Live blanket news coverage.Name one child out of the hundreds that died fleeing poverty in the med last week without searching Google or such like .Sickening
True, the sub gets more coverage than migrants because it’s sensational – there’s a Titanic connection, there are very wealthy people on-board, it’s deep underwater and the world is rushing to help… it’s a big story with massive public interest for all those reasons.
But, the fact is that all those in dire circumstances deserve our sympathy. It doesn’t have to be one and not the other.
Hah, why did the UK leave the EU? They were afraid because they were told the country was run by Brussels, when really the country was run by the Tories. Amid a deep, badly managed recession, a lie was put about – that leaving the EU would get rid of foreigners/brown/black people, provide more money for hospitals, and somehow turn back the clock to the good old days of yore.
But, think for a moment. EU membership had never been seriously questioned before, except by a fringe group of political eccentrics, because everyone could see the benefits far outweighed the deficiencies. Corruption, waste, democracy? There’s lots of corruption, waste and a democratic deficit in the British parliament. But the Brexiters ignored all that, and suddenly made the EU a scapegoat for all the UK’s ills. It wasn’t just a political issue, it was moral one, the campaigners told us from the barricades, and something just had to be done.
The leave campaign was dominated by racism. It was given a seal of approval by so-called ‘respectable’ members of the community; men in power, men in suits, even men of the cloth. On Bru, there was Lesgeo, broadcasting about his experience in the school, court and even the church, building up moral credibility before putting about some of the most egregious and un-Christian lies ever seen on here, and even encouraging others to share them.
Those stories? Haha! Remember that one about frightening the public with “research” predicting that 12 million Turks were likely to come? Remember too, the connection with those loony, far-right, so-called Christian web sites in the US? Populist, weapons-grade lies and nonsense to terrorise the gullible, from someone clearly unsuitable for public office. Neither must we forget pugilist jonnie ‘Or-not’ who used Bru to threaten to punch Andy Burnham’s lights out… clearly a democratic deficit there!
Elsewhere in the country it got worse. The Tories had their ‘climate of hostility’ policies, the Kippers had their ‘breaking point’ posters, and together with the right-wing media they conjured an ugly national mood, one in which people were looking sideways at anyone who looked or spoke ‘foreign’ – in supermarkets, buses, pubs, clubs – while in homes around the country arguments were breaking out among families, friends, neighbours… arguments between those who could see through the bullshit, and those who just wanted to believe.
Nobody was immune, and through manipulation in politics, mass and social media, Facebook, Twitter, plus the use of algorithms to target those who don’t seek out reliable news, the country was pushed into a position of calamitous and epic stupidity, like arguing about the existence of gravity.
It was complete and utter madness. Every living PM, along with prize-winning scientists, people who understood things – experts – all said ‘remain’, and have since been proved correct. Yet, amid the emotion of cheap shoes, fish and blue passports, the believers still followed Leadsom and Farage into the abyss, winning by the narrowest of margins. But just what exactly did they win? Precisely nothing.
Lies have consequences, and now we are reaping what others have sown. The country is sicker, weaker, poorer, and there’s unfinished business. No wonder the Brexiters and their towering hubris want to move on and let it drop.
As for Lesgeo’s belated U-Turn above, dad and the jonnies should come on here to apologise for all the guff they posted in the past about an ‘evil empire’ etc; guff which misled, stirred up hatred, and contributed to the creation of a climate in which it was ok to hate Muslims and immigrants, as well as OK to leave the EU without any sort of plan whatsoever.
But, in the Christian spirit which has long since characterised many of our band of Bru-ers, let there be compassion for the conned, and utter contempt for the conmen. Let us pray for them all – you know who you are.
Here’s something well over 40% which the algorithm pushed at me recently. I was indifferent about Blondie but this is loose, messy, dirty… pure unadulterated r&r.
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“Current societal pressures” which the country is suffering? You mean economic, political and social crises, and more ‘red tape’, pretty much everywhere you look.
Correlation and causation? Every area of the economy and society has been made worse by Brexit. The inevitable consequences of leaving which the Brexiters denied would happen, is happening. Just what do they think they’ve won? Name one law you’re happy about losing which made it all worthwhile.
For the Tory party, campaigning for ‘leave’ and offering a referendum was only ever about in-fighting and stemming the loss of support by shifting the party further to the right. Even the leading Brexiters didn’t expect to win – Johnson had no plan of how to leave, until he was forced to produce the ‘oven ready’ version.
And there’s JL thinking it will be 30 years before we’ll know if there are any benefits! Is that any sensible basis on which to take major decisions – even when you know it could be a disaster you’ll move house, start a new job, or vote in a referendum…. and then if it turns out to be egregiously bad, still give it 30 years, just to see??
Oh, but I forgot… wasn’t there a friend you talked to, who said everything would be alright? Well, that’s fine for the rest of us, then.
The sooner the country disposes of this government the better. More rubbish than in those M180 lay-bys. Put it on Facebook and send it to your friends….
Getting down to zero population growth is no bad thing.
Yes, the best form of contraception is education. It’s a pattern repeated around the world.
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