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It’s almost like we’re not a very good team!

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Northumbiron wrote:

But as WG points out, the critical stat is the 1 win in 17.

No one is disputing that fact!

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cassidystash wrote:

You’re right, nor if we’d won on Saturday.

Ah but did we fail to win because of the new signings or despite them?

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Northumbiron wrote:

So far this season we’ve conceded three times in the last 15 minutes. Only Mansfield have conceded the same number (3) and no team has conceded more.

6/24 teams have conceded zero late goals.

On that basis we are not that great at keeping out the opposition late on, but six games is not much of a sample.

Cheers NI, good to see some hard facts that compare us to all the other clubs.

Am I right that the only 1 of those 3 goals which has cost us points is the Sutton equaliser?

On the flip side, we picked up a point in the 90th minute against Walsall, so not all bad.

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WonderGoals wrote:

Ferrite’s I’m at a loss as to why you’re even backing the club’s corner as we’ve won 1 in 17 matches.

We do concede late goals quite often, Ferrite…it’s already been proven as we’re culpable of it so far this season.

Because you always hear bores saying “we concede so many late goals” and pretending like we’re the only club that does it. I’m trying to understand if there is something in it or if we’re no different from most other clubs.

As you rightly point out, we’re crap in a whole host of different ways, I’m curious if this is another failing or an area where we’re not too bad.

Anyway, the “late goal” at Northampton was essentially irrelevant as we would have lost anyway and probably only conceded because we were pushing forward to try to get something out of the game. I think we’d all rather the team did that than just settle for a 1-0, no?

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What do I care about how he plays for other clubs? I cannot understand any reason for picking him over Pugh on Saturday and it seems that your assessment backs that up.

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alcazar wrote:

In six games we have conceded three times in the final six minutes of normal time and any extra time.

Is that a big number (how does it compare with other teams? And how many of those goals changed the results?

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WonderGoals wrote:

Granted he’s only played in 1 game but he’s appears to want far too much time on ball and isn’t the biggest physically. Hackney should have come off at half time in all honesty, it was like playing with 9 men at times, never got into the game and didn’t offer much at all.

Blimey, it seems like only 4 or 5 days ago that you were telling me how good a player he was and how it made great sense to play him ahead of all of our own players. How times change.

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alcazar wrote:

Do you dispute it or are you just being an a-hole?

No idea if it’s true or not but just asserting something doesn’t make it true.

I suspect we’re no better or worse than most teams, we just notice the ones we concede because they’re the ones we care about.

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So we drop our own young players to play a couple of loanee players for bigger clubs, where’s the sense in that? As SanFran says, what has Pugh done to deserve being dropped? What’s the point in signing Perry & Bunn if you’re going to play loanees in front of them?

Onarise’s red card doesn’t surprise me, I’ve never seen a slower defender on the turn. He has his good qualities but I reckon Cliff Byrne would beat him in a 50-metre dash.

Very disappointing all round.

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alcazar wrote:

Only we do seem to make a habit of it…or maybe you’ve not noticed?

Got the stats to back up your claim?

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And yet I bet most of us spent all season waiting for the wheels to fall off and everything to go wrong!

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I’d forgotten that was the same season! What a day out that was.

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After a famously slow start too.

What’s interesting about that 06/07 side is that it was nowhere near as free-flowing as the 08/09 side with Hayes & Hooper up front. That first promotion-winning team had more steel about it, a superb defence and in Sharp a player who took almost every chance which Keogh & Cleveland sent his way. It was an incredibly efficient team, not sure we thrashed anyone that season but we just kept grinding out wins.

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Scrimshaw could make a big difference because without him I’m not sure where the goals are coming from in this side.

I know we created plenty of chances against Tranmere but we didn’t take them – through a combination of good goalkeeping and poor finishing. If Scrimshaw can take the odd chance, we have a genuine chance this season because it appears that the defence is much more robust than the last couple of seasons.

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The early season ones are usually full of optimism, that’s usually been crushed by about November!

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Definitely not much room in that away end, amazing really to see that sort of crowd from a 2021 point of view.

The highlights are interesting but the voice over is a bit sniffy!

Looking back, you wonder whether that injustice was crucial for driving the team on to further heights that season because both teams’ form went in completely different directions after that game. They only won 7 of their last 20 games; we won 12 out of our remaining 19!

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The Taylor-on-Taylor foul just before Byrne’s red is even worse than I remembered:

Cleveland can’t really complain for his second yellow but of course he should never have got the first one.

The fouls on Murphy are so obvious it’s just laughable.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

Don’t think he was. The player that stood out was Chris Taylor who Cliff got sent off against.

Just looked and the attendance was 7,600 for an early January game too.

No, looking it up he was with them in 2009. I think he played a game in goal there too!

Chris Taylor is still drifting around the lower leagues, might have learned to stand up by now but we still remember!

It was a cracking atmosphere though, I think our goal was a Gregan OG, remember a huge roar when that went in. Oldham brought plenty that day but must have been around 5,000 home fans in.

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I can understand signing an extra player to fill out the squad and to provide more competition for places but we now have Kenyon, Pugh, Hallam, Wood, Hippolyte, Pugh, Perry, Hackney and Gallimore competing for two or three midfield spots. That’s 9 players! Granted, Pugh might spend more time at right-back and Hallam has fitness issues but, realistically, how often are we likely to see someone like Gallimore on the pitch in the coming months?

I wouldn’t mind if he’d been nowhere near up to standard the other day but actually he was quite impressive, so let’s see more of him!

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BigLeftToe wrote:

Don’t think I’ve ever felt a feeling of such deflation since that 95th minute equaliser!

I don’t think I’ve ever been more furious coming out of a game than after that one! Still, the joke was on Oldham because I think it was 1st v. 2nd at the time and while we went on to win about 7 or 8 games in a row, they sank without trace. Not sure they even made the play-offs that season. Would Windass have been playing for them that season?

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When the players all crowded into a small area for a goal kick, the bloke behind me always used to say “look at them, like dogs after a bitch”.

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lesgeo wrote:

Harper goal was offside. A little hard to tell on that video but still looked dodgy.

Not really the fault of the referee but you might be right. Not a glaring decision I would argue though.

The foul on Turnbull (or fouls?) is just mind-blowingly obvious!

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What’s the point if we’re just a finishing school for other club’s players?

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Les – you inspired me to seek out highlights of that game as I’ve never rewatched it.

You’re absolutely right that Donny’s first goal should never have stood for a clear foul on Samways, whilst we could, arguably, had two more penalties before the one we did get (although I think Alexander dived).

After that, I can’t see any blame on the ref for the rest of Donny’s goals, apart perhaps from the fifth which comes from a deflection off the referee – though I’d blame Bullimore who clearly didn’t look where he was passing the ball.

Anyway, decide for yourself!

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lesgeo wrote:

15/4/95 Gurnam Singh once had a zero. Lost to Donny 0 – 5. He was responsible for four of their goals. Their assistant manager said we should have had two penalties. At least SIX match changing decisions in 90 minutes.

Given Wayne Bullimore missed a penalty by nearly an entire goal’s width, I’m not sure those decisions proved entirely crucial in that match.

lesgeo wrote:

Incidentally, thought Deadman didn’t do as badly as fans were suggesting in ‘that game’. (Can’t recall what it was. And going through my notes is a time-consuming task.)

Cliff’s red came in the immediate wake of an appalling challenge on Cleveland (who got booked for his protests), the referee should really have sent their player off before Cliff took his own revenge. Their equaliser came after two blatant fouls on Murphy, who was barged to the floor by some lump of a forward, allowing the goal to be scored.

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What about the impact on players like Dan Gallimore, who was so impressive on his debut at the weekend? Why are we training up other clubs’ players for them rather than our own?

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I have to say, if I were a referee, I would love to be like Kettle, just giving random crackpot decisions to liven up dull games.

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Looking at more, I think the way their player pulled his arm out of the way, to keep it away from the ball, made it look a bit like the ball had hit it. I suspect that might be why Kettle gave it.

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WonderGoals wrote:

If Rowe is ousted from the RB slot for Pugh after that performance then Cox needs lynching.

A perfectly reasonable, well-adjusted comment.

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