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Awaywego wrote:

There you go you heard far worse in school Deerey, why do you expect any different away from school i don’t.

Er, because we’re not 15-16 year olds anymore? Because the people who are the worst culprits are grown men, apparently? Not rocket science. Of course I expect to hear some swearing at matches. I don’t think we need to hear it incessantly throughout the match so loud. It’s a bad influence on younger folk and children and frankly tedious and distracting. Trying to watch a match with some idiot shouting and swearing near you throughout, or coming over on the speaker, is rubbish. Don’t know what you don’t understand about the point I’m making tbh. But hey ho.

They’re not ultimate solutions to the problems, but they might be fixes for you. Move, and turn the TV down.

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cassidystash wrote:

When they countered we had 2 or 3 players in our box, when we attacked they had 8 or 9 back because we took too long.

This, over and over and over and over again this season.

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Awaywego

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Look at it from a different angle, would your employer be happy if you deliberately made bad decisions and what do you think he would do if you did?

So you’d find it acceptable for your boss to fine you for mistakes because one of his customers tells him they suspect you’re making mistakes on purpose?

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Erm never said reply the match, although it would be nice to hear that the official has had a ticking off and maybe gets a one match ban and a fine. Kind of a bit like what happens to players when they get a red card. There are conspiracy theories flying around that the refs are against scunny in this league, surely if the refs were fined for exceptionally bad decisions then that would expel such theories as no refs would deliberately make a bad decision if it hit him in the pocket.

Would you want to work under those conditions?

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64 wrote:

apparently a certain bespectacled ginner had a few choice words too

Were they his, or did he get them from here?

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Ferrite wrote:

I don’t have a problem with swearing but endless abuse and tirades are just tedious. The local councillor was clearly audible on the stream last night, boorishly abusing the referee over & over again.

Though not as much as our manager who got involved with someone in the crowd, abused the referee enough to get a red card, and then wasn’t big enough to answer questions from the media.

It’s in the rules / directives that if you’ve been red carded you can’t talk to the media after the game.

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Sanfran49

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64 wrote:

“Manning up” cuts both way, we got a goal that didn’t cross the line at B Stortford and an unlikely penalty ,we only really care about others mistakes,human nature I guess?

I agree with you that it cuts both ways.

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Nice interview by Brad James their goalkeeper completely admitting nobody touched him and it was his mistake. Ref association needs to watch that aswell as the actually footage

It’s all very well saying it after the fact from a match-winning position, three points safely in the bank, but what about manning up and talking to the referee in the immediate aftermath? Unlikely, I know, and it would take some guts to do it. But what a man, if you did.

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Northumbiron

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Deereyme66 wrote:

It was always a very real possibility that would be the case. If we don’t get out of it we can’t be blaming the officials and other clubs pitches and supposed bias against us. Though I suspect some will.

Fairer to say we couldn’t JUST blame those things as they have certainly contributed. But the lion’s share of responsibility for failure to get promoted will be with ourselves.

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Deereyme66

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CMC wrote:

…Holding a meet and greet in a Car Showroom…

Irrelevant that it was a car showroom. The room was cleared and it was a good-sized space and shape for a really enjoyable event.

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Ferrite wrote:

I thought we were ok last night but a lot of familiar failings were on show too. Dean getting a touchline ban might be the best thing for us in the coming games.

There was some terrific attacking play from time to time, but the tendency to make far too many passes and lose momentum around the box was certainly in evidence too. There were a couple of instances of being in a reasonable enough position to have a crack but dithering and the ball ending up going through four or five passes back to the keeper.

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The only answer is to escape upwards which should be achievable with the players we’ve got.

In many ways I think this division has taken us by surprise.

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… emailing him directly because his email address has been posted online…

That is totally unacceptable.

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TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

You are right it is 99% incompetence, by the refs and the system that runs them. The system for promoting refs isn’t working Les.

You cannot reasonably expect a human referee to get technical decisions right 100% of the time. It’s just not possible to avoid the occasional error or even the occasional seemingly ridiculous decision. What you are entitled to reasonably expect is a high degree of competence and unbiased judgement.

Comments from the referee a few games ago (who said that Whitehall’s game is going down and that’s why he didn’t give the penalty) were alarming. In addition, last night was a disgrace – the booking of Whitehall was a joke and the disallowed goal was a tragedy.

All said, on the whole I don’t think the referees have been that good this season – but nor have they been that bad.

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lesgeo wrote:

I fully accept that this is rarely deliberate – but ‘subconscious bias’ is an identifiable phenomenon.

Exactly the same thing when Whitehall wasn’t awarded the penalty a few games ago when it was more than clear, and the referee afterwards saying that Whitehall’s game is going down easily.

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They will when they see posters using ‘on’ when ‘at’ is the correct preposition.

Strikes me he may be a bit of a twon.

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sufc_not_on_tour

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cassidystash wrote:

Not really.
“Promotion Finals in the Vanarama National League North and South will take place at the home ground of the finalist club who finished higher in the league table during the regular season.”

Yes, thanks for pointing that out! Hands up that’s my mistake – I did not actually see that paragraph when skim reading as I hadn’t scrolled down beyond the NLN final info (and I had definitely read somewhere else that all three finals were to be played at Wembley).

The point stands, though – switching the date just a few weeks before, after months of the info being publicly available, is a bit poor.

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Wembley Stadium, by the way, for those who did not already know.

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64 wrote:

where has the excitement
gone? fans just seem flat

I’d suggest this is to do with pissing away pissing the league.

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Awaywego wrote:

How much more expensive did you expect Apollo11 a 50%increase in under 18s seems way over the top to me.

I’m not under 18 so I didn’t look at the Under 18s section.

As an adult, the Early Bird for the current season worked out at £9-something per match for the terrace, and next season will work out at £10-something. An increase of around a single pound. I was anticipating perhaps in the region of £12.50 or £13 Early Bird and then two quid more than that when the full prices kick in.

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64 wrote:

I’d say Hilton’s “wow price” hamstrung them somewhat, Left them with a £300 barrier to break through, had he not set his super cheap tickets so low and a bit nearer the £300 line they could ?

Yes, pretty much what I was getting at. It’s generally accepted that there were ‘flights of fancy’ going on during David Hilton’s ownership – and I actually always thought the low season ticket price was one of them. It was too good an opportunity to miss. I’ve spent the season expecting that to be redressed when the time comes for renewal – but bearing in mind inflation and blah blah blah, it remains a very low price which can’t be doing the board too many favours. Seems odd, to me.

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Ferrite wrote:

At first glance, it looks like the board has got the balance right between cutting prices to attract fans and making sure the club still earns enough money. Well done.

Don’t get me wrong, I still think English football is far too expensive on the whole but we have to be realistic that the club can’t put itself at a huge disadvantage by cutting prices too far.

I’d expected them to be more expensive than they are, but they still seem a bit ‘Hilton plucked a wow price out of the air’.

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WonderGoals wrote:

According to Jimmy, Evans was sent off for a supposed knee in the face…

From where I was, it was difficult to see exactly who did what, but I’m pretty sure I saw a leg flash out as someone took a kick at one of theirs in the immediate aftermath of play being stopped. To be honest I’d thought it was Whitehall so was surprised to see Evans get his marching orders.

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BarnardFoxtonBarker..

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Where have I typed that I’m over excited and claiming we’ve morphed into Brazil ?. All I was commenting on is our big change up in playing style and how he look much better because of it.

Personally, I didn’t mean that you specifically had got over-excited. I meant ‘people in general’ shouldn’t. We’re doing ok but the teams we’ve played have been rubbish.

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BigLeftToe wrote:

Smoke and mirrors… don’t get too excited after playing two of the worst teams we’ve ever shared a pitch with. Wouldn’t read too much into it.

Agreed – don’t get too excited as the teams we’ve played have been garbage. However, our style of play has definitely changed.

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64 wrote:

too much slow mo ,too much misdirection by poor managers and players away from their own failings, fans who know nothing about the rules egged on by awful TV pundits and you get the perfect storm. “that was never a red” when a player gets a second yellow and off etc, usually after a yellow and several more chances given by the ref . VAR has made it worse, ages pouring over a slomo that takes all context away which leads to hours of TV discussion and ultimately blaming the ref from both sides.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67696001ears

The top level of the sport is becoming a different sport. Unfortunately due to its TV ubiquity the perceptions and opinions around that filter down to our level.

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64 wrote:

Quite uncomfortable to watch

Brutal.

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ironfromafar wrote:

… be interested to see JDs next move for Saturday after last nights debacle.

From the sofa to the TV unit to get the remote control.

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Ferrite wrote:

Sounds like the sort of story you’d hear in the pub and I’m all in favour of those!

It’s plausible, which is why it would never pass pub muster.

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Ferrite wrote:

Who knew at the time that that game, and perhaps Whitehall’s red card, would be such a turning point in our season?

…what has gone wrong? How has Dean managed to get so little out of this team since New Year?

Pure conjecture this, of course, but is there anything in the fact Whitehall was an expectant father with a baby due very soon, at that moment? Perhaps he wanted paternity leave which was argued against ‘for the good of the team’… and then Dean took time off on a matchday to go to his brother’s wedding… Double standards, unrest gets in and sets in…

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