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Iron-awe wrote:

You sometimes have to stick your head above the parapet in the interests of the fans and the club you support when you run these football forums, they should have interviewed Hilton he now owns the club therefore it’s very relevant to the Bru members.

I think they thought maybe they didn’t need to when the Iron Army Podcast took on the interview.

After Hilton’s petulant behaviour today I think this bridge has been burned.

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I think IB said before that they didn’t want the hassle after some the people lapping that Hilton statement up just gave them dog’s abuse for interviewing Swann.

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Swann seems to have carried on his ineptness in how he sold the club. Astute businessmen, and he palms a business venture off like he’s selling a chair on ebay.

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He needs to shut up with his unprofessional comments, act his age and stop stirring the pot.

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I am a bit disappointed there hasn’t been an apology from you, Peter. I don’t want to rub it in, but after promising so much, we were left as a laughing stock on the verge of going under.

That said, I think supporters should approach this situation with an open mind as to who is at fault for the current situation. Hilton’s blither about renting the stadium to himself does not appear to make sense, and the 1899 scheme did seem a bit suspect. Hopefully we won’t get any more nonsense about how those with concerns are relying on social media rumours now. This was the case and looked like it was the case since the new stadium announcement. Yet to worry was sacrilege for some.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s WonderGoals. Though, I am sure some have already said they don’t want him, so maybe it’s already been answered.

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I’ve seen messages to the contrary.

Amazing how those who once complained about rumours are now just spreading rumours.

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ironfromafar wrote:

seems a fair n balanced post by DH and for the most part i dont have any issues with it .. i do feel the comment about there being more negative posts than positive on Bru is a tad off the mark as IMO there are probably only a handful of really anti Hilton contributors on here with the majority being anxious and worried about the clubs future with so much BS swirling about.

I agree its time to unite get behind the club in its entirety and see wear the journey takes us.

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I am more sceptical than you, but hats off to you (along with Sanfran, who I believe is behind Hilton) for a reasonable approach, in my opinion. It is a forum where people share their opinions and we can’t all think the same. The more sceptical may be wrong, but these attempts at division and attacks on others for not being true fans, because they are more questioning of Hilton has to stop.

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The irony of Hilton bemoaning rumours against him when he launches them at others.

He can’t even the excuse of payback, because he is making accusations against the admin here, who hasn’t spread any against him.

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I see the ‘top fans’ who moan about their opinion not being respected are coming out now to attack others.

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Deereyme66

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I wonder if he includes those burner accounts doxxing fans and threatening with abuse to defend him as anonymous cowards. Or is it just anyone who does so much as question something and remains sceptical?

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While I am happy to see people on the board, I am far less happy by his thin skin and inability to accept others may be worried or distrusting, even if ill founded. Time for him to act the grown up and stop trying to attack fans and create division. He then might get some unity that he supposedly desires.

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I agree with a lot of the sentiment above regarding reasons for concern about Hilton. His past doesn’t inspire confidence either.

If people think otherwise and believe getting behind him with less scepticism is their best path, fine. However, lashing out at those of us who raise concerns (which I think are often valid) and saying we should go support another club or whatever will not help. Moreover, after positioning themselves as ‘top fans’, what do they think will happen if things do go pear shaped under Hilton? Many won’t be forgiving and will be blaming their part after being made to feel small for so much as querying Hilton’s plans.

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Deereyme66

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I think IA has a point, certainly regarding Iran. I don’t think it would prevent hostile attitudes, but money and resources help the likes of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad grow.

Anyway, I hope life isn’t too stressful for you right now, Deerey. All the best. :-)

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I think you have got the wrong end of the stick a bit, DM. I didn’t think badly of your post or your right to hold it. I simply didn’t include your name because it didn’t stand out so much on this occasion. To me. If I took exception to it, I would have commented myself.

I certainly don’t get why it brought on barbed comments. I am a self-admitted opinionated gobshite, but I try not to think ill of others unless I see reason to, and I am fallible. I am certainly not better than everyone else and spend a lot of time worrying about whether I am as good a person as I aim to be. I know I am forceful with my opinion, but realise others will disagree. I put my case forward, try to accept disagreement (don’t always succeed, because I am not someone above anyone else). I may disagree with people politically, but hope I can separate that from their person*.

*With some exceptions. I don’t think I could think positively of a BNP supporter, for instance.

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I mean, I have stated that I have not taken a stand on this action because I don’t have enough knowledge on this particular case. I don’t see how this is peddling an Israel is always right narrative and my comments on Israel are not meant to be a footnote. However, when that gets ignored with leading questions from IronAge, I am bound to respond in a manner which seems defensive against hyperbolae and false accusations about seeing every Palestinian being a terrorist. When people lay down that narrative, I feel the need to lay out the issues with it. If my posts are ‘lengthy essays’, I certainly don’t want to turn them into a thesis.

I miss where I said I was an expert. You say there’s no vitriol, but you seem to be taking pot shots when I haven’t done so to you.

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‘Though, I think IA and JI have made thoughtful comments here.’

My comments are thoughtful too. Or don’t they count? Save me an essay of self righteousness please. My opinion is as valid as yours.

I didn’t claim you weren’t, or that you have no right to an opinion. However, IA’s and JI’s were longer, so had more info and gave me more to think about and agree with on this occasion. So they stood out more to me, and I don’t mean that offensively. I have agreed with you and thought such on other occasions, and have probably thanked your comments more than any other user here, so I don’t know where this vitriol towards me has come from. I certainly don’t mean to be self-righteous about it and don’t know why I should have to include you in praise every time.

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I am not commenting on Jenin, because my knowledge isn’t full enough in my opinion. Though, I think IA and JI have made thoughtful comments here.

The whole situation is a mess and is only getting more entrenched. A two state solution is the ideal solution, so far as I can see, but that won’t happen unless there’s a huge change of course. Israel is only getting more right wing and authoritarian and are bringing in some appalling legislation. More and more, Palestinians are turning to their own sectarian outlets. Israel wouldn’t consider any kind of deal with Hamas or any Islamist group while they fire rockets and make promises to remove Jews from the land by any means necessary.

If anyone hasn’t heard of a TV show called Tomorrow’s Pioneers, I suggest they check it out. It sums up the Hamas/Islamist mindset. It was what really exposed me to the complexity of the situation and made me realise Jews in Israel are going to be wary of such groups, especially when they have power and are trying to spearhead the Palestinian cause. I won’t share the disgusting content on here, but for those interested, it was a children’s show run by Hamas’ TV channel featuring child hosts and people in animal costumes (including an anti-Semitic Mickey Mouse!) where they openly call for the destruction of Israel and death of Jews to children. It’s nothing short of brainwashing, and there are some disgusting clips, including clips of 10 year olds calling in to wipe Jews off the face of the Earth. Truly shocking, and it’s this mindset which can lead to the hate witnessed and needs stamping out in Palestinian society.

That said, I am no fan of the other side, who fan the flames. The settlers bother me, as do many of the ultra-Orthodox and extremists who seem to see themselves as superior to Palestinians, burn their homes and they both feed off and give each other justifications for violence.

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*sighs*. The eye roll should have given away my sarcasm.

The IHRA does not prohibit criticism of Israel by the way. Just the sort of rabid frothing that Jew haters like to say is anti-Israel. Criticising Israeli politicians, fine. Yapping about Israeli lobbies and hands of Israel being behind terror attacks, less so.

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With all these delays to things required of him and things he said he would do, how are we supposed to trust he will deliver on his plans (e.g. stadium plans) and how everything is someone else’s fault?

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Yes, that’s what I said. Well done. *eye roll*

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Israel are claiming they were after terrorists. It wouldn’t be the first time those framed as innocents would be linked to terrorists who threaten Israel and its civilians. However, this is a presumption and Israel’s justifications better be right or it will be (rightfully) condemned.

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So you keep saying, but it’s only a month away. Things will have to go awry rapidly now.

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The funny thing for me is that Farage is kicking up a fuss because he can’t access a bank for the elite, and doesn’t want a standard account like most others.

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Many of them had sympathy for us too. I wish them all the best.

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https://apps.northlincs.gov.uk/search?locorref=glebe+road

Not yet, but it was never going to be as fast as it was made out to be.

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Ferrite

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There’s only so much you can dress that up. I am sceptical of the ransom land being that much of an issue from what legal bods have said and the inflated price was not an issue at the start. Fact is he said the deal was done, and it wasn’t.

If Swann was messing him around, which maybe caused doubts over its success,don’t advertise ground schemes to the fans?

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Yes, the only alternative to Hilton not misleading back in January was to just leave us in the brown. Saying that he’s pushing for the ground, and not launching schemes related to the ground when it was uncertain was definitely not an option. We all know Swann is an arsehole, but that doesn’t mean I am going to be impressed by false positives.

There has been some good stuff happening, but I will critique as I see fit, and Hilton saying that he had agreed a deal for the ground, when he hadn’t yet, is worthy of it.

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It doesn’t excuse him for misleading, even if well intentioned. If it wasn’t set in stone, he shouldn’t have made out it was.

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IronIronIron

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On topic, an interesting development:

So after days and days of coverage including multiple front pages, BBC reports that Nigel Farage

1. Didn't lose Coutts banks account because of his views, but because his balance was too low.
2. Farage admits being offered alternative account with Natwest, but hasn't taken it up https://t.co/704uQWxixt

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) July 4, 2023

Farage offered a NatWest account, but he isn’t interested and we are supposed to believe this is some coordinated action against him? I am leaning to thinking he’s pouring on the conspiracies to stay relevant and keep an audience through manufactured grievance now. Typical Farage behaviour.

For what it’s worth, it may be the Russian explanations were overplayed, and I was wrong about that. However, the idea that Farage is being shut out of society because he can’t access high end banks, but can get an ordinary NatWest account, is a bit much.

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