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That would be interesting if they did Greenun.
Probably wouldn’t be tennis balls.
He has certainly not proved himself a saviour. He has given the club a stay of execution and has tried in his fairly unique way to start a recovery process.
The tangible benefit he has brought to the club is that he has given us a team that doesn’t get beaten nearly every match. This is the fist time in 5 years that we have had that so credit where it is due.
The club will be saved if and when it is back in the EFL, owns its own fit for purpose ground and trades at a fairly small loss.
That is what Swann inherited 11 years ago and that is what success looks like for a club like ours.
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Nothing to worry about Sidy. Nobody actually reads the Daily Mail surely.
If Hilton or Herbert need my details for my banning order just let me know and I will send them over.
Fame at last. My least favourite newspaper quoting my post in their online article.
Didn’t get a strapline though.
I can only assume this is Hilton deliberately antagonising the fan base so he can self justify walking away without paying the tax bill and September wages.
Should be gone by the weekend.
Sadly taking the club down with him.
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Has anyone contacted James Moody to verify the notice came from the club and is genuine?
Looks like a spoof to me.
Thank goodness for Bru.
How on earth would I know what shite was being posted on Facebook without it.
At the risk of repeating myself we lost our home over 2 years ago.
We have not looked like HMS Piss the League since the Scarborough game and have never yet given a “champion” performance in an away game.
Now we are missing probable first 11 picks, Clunan, Beestin, Roberts, Evans, Ogle and Scales for varying amounts of time we are in for a tough run of games. A point would be a good result this Saturday. 4 points from the Buxton and Brackley home games would be excellent.
After that we should be closer to fielding the first eleven. Of course that assumes no further injuries, suspensions, player sales or off field distractions.
The next 6 weeks or so will likely define our on field season. The unpopular changes referred to in the directors statement need to be announced and implemented quickly otherwise the season is going to drift away from us.
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Never quite worked out how we need circa 5,000 fans to put a team together to challenge at the top.
Our average gate this season has been 3,777.
If you add together the attendances of 4 of the top 7 (Spennymoor, Blyth, Chorley and Brackley) it is still 200 less than our total.
FFS Brackley probably the best football team we have played this year survive on crowds under 600.
Must be some very wealthy sugar daddies around at this level.
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September 21, 2023 at 11:45 am in reply to: So. Either DH Has Put Loadsa Money Into The Iron or He Has Not. #272990Especially as we had such a fine credit rating and a happy band of suppliers back in January when we had never heard of David Hilton.
Oh hang on a minute – didn’t we have a raft of unpaid suppliers and an imminent winding up order from HMRC. Oh and were we not already under a transfer embargo from the National League. Not to mention Sharp and Elliot having to pay December’s wage bill. Were we not also bottom of the league and hadn’t owned our ground for 2 years.
Hilton has certainly not solved all off the clubs problems and probably hasn’t got enough spare loose change in his pocket to do so. But neither did he create them. If only we’d had an interested bystander with a personal grudge against Peter Swann pitch up a couple of years ago.
Assuming that you’re not the type of person to rush into a debate without having the facts to hand, can you confirm for the good contributors of this forum:
1) With the exception of this latest batch of CCJs which have been registered against Scunthorpe United Football Club Ltd, how many CCJs have been registered against the company in the past 6 years?
2) What is the current credit rating for Scunthorpe United Football Club Ltd and what was it prior to this batch of CCJs being registered?
As for WUPs, it’s currently 1-1. However, Hilton’s already indicated that HMRC are in the process of applying for one, so for the hard of thinking, that will make two.
1. Nowhere did I suggest Swann had not paid bills for 6 years or indeed mention any period. It is difficult to be sure when Swann stopped funding the club as he stopped communicating with fans long before that happened but according to people close to the club at that time it was sometime from the start of last season but not later than December last year when he refused to cover the wage bill and tax bill. Those running the club on his behalf at that time confirmed this and also that SUFC did not have the funds to cover these outgoings. It is possible that this was just a ploy to convince potential buyers to pay his seemingly inflated valuation for the club. I don’t believe Swann commented publicly at that time so who knows? He must have convinced the Sharp/Elliott consortium at that time that he was prepared to let the club fold hence them stepping in to pay the December wage bill with a substantial gift/loan. The HMRC debt subsequently led to a winding up order that was cleared by Hilton. So that is one winding up order that evidence suggests Swann was not going to pay and one month’s wages that he was not going to pay. Either of these would have likely led to the closure of the club and resulted in sanctions from the National League. Indeed we were under a signing and new contract embargo so we’re unable to offer our leading scorer a contract to cover the remainder of the season. So outstanding debts at that time were well in excess of £300k. Hence my point regarding credit worthiness when Hilton arrived on the scene.
2. I am not aware of the clubs credit rating either in mid January or now and have no desire to find out. Personally I would not have supplied goods or services with credit terms to the club either in January or now. Compared to the overall debt Hilton inherited and the likely overall level of debt now then the value of the CCJ’s is relatively small beer. Not that I don’t have every sympathy with those owed money and am not supportive of any business unwilling to pay it’s debts.Regarding the winding up petitions this is a football club that many people care deeply about not some childish game of who has the most CCJ’s or WUP’s.
September 21, 2023 at 9:41 am in reply to: So. Either DH Has Put Loadsa Money Into The Iron or He Has Not. #272975Somebody did make a good point on that Fishy thread actually that I had not really thought of – how many people actually do back Hilton ?
We only know a good few on Facebook , but the wider consensus is unknwown really , we know people had/have major doubts on here but a fair amount of people either don’t do social media or just care about what’s going on,on the pitch so for people to say the fans deserve what they are getting or the like is unfair really .
Probably a few more than used to back Fenty. But as Grimsby fans found out there’s next to bugger all fans can do about it.
September 20, 2023 at 10:51 pm in reply to: So. Either DH Has Put Loadsa Money Into The Iron or He Has Not. #272958Especially as we had such a fine credit rating and a happy band of suppliers back in January when we had never heard of David Hilton.
Oh hang on a minute – didn’t we have a raft of unpaid suppliers and an imminent winding up order from HMRC. Oh and were we not already under a transfer embargo from the National League. Not to mention Sharp and Elliot having to pay December’s wage bill. Were we not also bottom of the league and hadn’t owned our ground for 2 years.
Hilton has certainly not solved all off the clubs problems and probably hasn’t got enough spare loose change in his pocket to do so. But neither did he create them. If only we’d had an interested bystander with a personal grudge against Peter Swann pitch up a couple of years ago.
I see coverage is now scheduled on Humberside.
Sometimes wish he would buy a TV or a dog perhaps.
Brackley site suggesting live commentary will be available.
Can’t spot our replay on Vanarama TV.
?Don’t think it will be on Les given its FA Cup. I’d be surprised if Hullberside even cover it.
Might be reduced to recreating Ceefax days on Twitter. Will be my first missed game of the season – can’t raise the enthusiasm for 5 hours in the car for a second qualifying round replay.
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Might suit us better to play them on a Tuesday given they are part time and we have begun to stutter at home.
Att: 1,909
9 out on my attendance prediction. Thought there would only be 17 from Brackley.
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I think Bru would lose a lot of appeal if we all had to agree with each other.
Not much that is certain with the Iron just now but I think we can rely on that Cass.
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Manure probably have a slightly better credit rating than SUFC Awaywego.
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Brackley don’t get big crowds and it’s a fair treck. Most that have the inclination are likely to wait and travel for the much more important league game 2 weeks later.
Also season ticket holders have to fork out £14-20 for an FA Cup qualifying game. Many won’t bother.
The negativity surrounding this weeks revelations certainly won’t help.
I think Cliff is probably a bit optimistic. I think we will be shy of 2000.
Going for a late Swann era attendance of 1900.
Looking at Brackley’s fairly small squad they don’t have much option to rest first teamers whilst Jimmy will be able to rest 8 or 9. He probably should as well given the limited opportunities to give them game time.
2-1 Brackley. We will reverse that scoreline with Scales joining the rest of the first team 2 weeks later – if we are still in business by then.
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Agree Booba land is worth £1.5m at best. That’s if the seller covers the cost of demolishing the stadium.
Good post Siderite.
I agree with you probably more than you think. I did write a post early on after I heard David Hilton’s Sound cloud interview/statement/emotional outpouring in which I offered him the advice to issue an apology for misleading fans and to pay any outstanding invoices.
My opinion only but I think he deserves a second chance over the Fraud conviction but appreciate other don’t. I assume people that feel this way would want him away from the club immediately.
The apology and payment of outstanding debts would at least help take a bit of heat out of the situation.
None of this makes me a Hilton “supporter”. I didn’t support Swann or the Wharton’s either. I support the club and always will whoever (and sometimes in spite of) whoever is the chairman of the club.
The facts of the situation is that as ever is the case us supporters of a football club have little or no influence over control of said club.
Hilton has achieved a turnaround on the field at a club in seemingly terminal decline for 5 or 6 years. I give him credit for that. He is taking longer than I would like to solve the off field shitshow that he inherited. I have cut him slack on that due to the sheer scale of the inherited issues but after 6 months remaining issues should be sorted by now.
Regarding the ground and land I am hopeful that Hilton is working through a strategy to get that for something closer to its real market value. If that pisses off the previous owner I would see that as a bonus.
Sadly the only definite action we can ever take when disagreeing with the ownership is to stop going to games which is what half the fan base had done with the previous owner.
I am still trying to get my head around the “Feck off you criminal but keep paying (at least some) of the bills until you find a nice new owner for us that will pay Swann twice the value for his land” message.
I understand that some people find the deception unforgivable – not happy about it myself but my default is to give people a chance when they have made a mistake. I struggle personally with the low tolerance to someone making a mistake having made a few myself but fully respect that people have to be true to their own belief system and moral code.
But if you want him gone then surely you want him gone right now. Why on earth would he/should he keep paying the bills and take responsibility to find an “acceptable” new owner?
According to FA rules cup matches count as part of player suspension periods. Apart from EFL Trophy for some reason but obviously that doesn’t apply to us these days.
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Thanks again Deery for letting me know what I should be thinking and doing. I don’t know how I would get through these difficult times without your guidance.
To summarise the indignant faction:
Lying criminal must leave the club. No ifs no buts.
But keep spending your dirty money David and taking the abuse until the White Knight arrives with some clean money and pays Mr Swann his £3m. Otherwise we really won’t like you.
Not much to ask is it.
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It wasn’t Siderite I was referring to with my comment on self righteousness but thank you for letting me know what I should be thinking.
A tad self righteous perhaps?
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