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Awaywego wrote:

To me it would suggest Jimmy’s done his homework and he realizes that it’s very rare you need to sub your keeper, so an extra outfield player gives him more options.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/17/scunthorpe-united-bristol-city-league-one-match-report

I still have nightmares.

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I stand corrected.

So that makes the Palestinians Semetic which the Philistines definitely were not?

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Another poignant thought.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-cemetery-containing-more-than-3-000-graves-of-british-and-commonwealth-servicemen-killed-during-first-world-war-is-damaged-in-the-latest-israel-hamas-fighting/ar-AA1jxu3I?ocid=emmx-mmx-feeds&PC=EMMX01

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Siderite wrote:

I wouldn’t call the British Mandate of Palestine a country in its own right. It was part of the British Empire and not subject to its own control. Before then it was part of the Ottoman Empire and before then it was part of Egyptian led Mameluk Empire. Going further back, the first mention of Palestine was from the Roman Empire, who used it to replace the name of Israel to quash Jewish rebellions against Rome.

None of this is to delegitimise Palestine’s existence, there should be a two-state solution, but it doesn’t delegitimise Israel’s existence either. Jews have existed in the ‘Holy land’ for centuries and most of Israel’s Jews do not actually hail from Europe, but from North Africa and the Middle-East.

The Brits flip-flopped over the mandate and made various promises to different groups. By the end they were not so pro-Israel and the state was only created after Israelis, USA and the UN pushed on it. Before then, I have read tales of Jewish immigrants in Cyprus kept in poor conditions as they tried to go to Israel. It should also be obvious why they were fleeing Europe in the late 40s. There could have been peace there and then, but hostility was there from the start from other Arab states. Was all of it good from the Israeli side? No, I am aware of population resettlements (though, it was not one-sided), but the idea that this somehow delegitimises Israel? Nah.

The states around them were also subject to being created through French and British interests, such as Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. This too has created parts of the country with sects who might want their own nation state, divided by these past decrees. See the Kurds in northern Iraq and Syria, for example. Yet the bemoaning about this is far less.

Regardless, grievance mongering is not creating any hope of peace in the region. Israel is here to stay, and as much as they need to stop things like the settlements of the West Bank and its own divisive rhetoric, the destructive talk of Hamas and its supporters is only creating future hate.

To be perfectly accurate there wasn’t a country called Israel until recent times, Israel was a people named after Jacob who became Israel.
There were the tribes of Israel and the tribes of Judah, all had their own areas named after the sons of Jacob/Israel.
Nearby were the Philistines (Palestinians).
Before all this there was Canaan and Phoenicia.
All very complicated and as with anywhere else in the world, it’s very difficult to claim ancient rights.
Of course Melanie Phillips will have a totally different view.

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I remember years ago seeing, on TV, phosphorus raining down on a UN camp in Gaza while a BBC reporter and cameraman took shelter.
Phosphorus burns the flesh very badly, it then becomes embedded in the flesh and becomes inert (because of the liquid in the body). When surgeons try to extract it the phosphorus flares up again burning the victim again and also the medics.

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We’ve been here before, after the six day war.
It didn’t work then and it won’t work now.
The only way it can work is by subjugation and suppression. Not a very satisfactory thought.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Just an observation, when either Israeli or Palestinian officials are questioned on detail by TV or radio interviewers they often get angry and defensive. So should an impartial viewer trust both or neither? Haven’t both been found to have fabricated facts in the past? Please don’t take that to mean I trust Hamas. I really don’t. I’m also not questioning the figures from the 7 Oct atrocity either.

I would certainly not trust either, Hamas are just terrorists, this Israeli adminstration are just liars, (really gives me doubts about proportional representation).
Add to that our own government, the Americans, Russians, Chinese etc. All of them have played fast and loose with the truth.

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We need everyone there, no excuses.

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https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/october/win-a-captain-sponsorship-package-for-bishops-stortford-home-clash/

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I wouldn’t go as far as to say the writers of the canonical gospels were unknown, someone must have known them.
There are indeed many other gospels known as apocryphal including Thomas and James. The word apocrypha means of dubious source, so the early church settled on the four that we know.

Oh and Joseph was not an Galilean but a Judean even though he lived in Nazareth so was required to go to Bethlehem in Judea.

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I don’t normally get involved with this conversation but to say that none of the evangelists were alive at the time is incorrect. Matthew and John were disciples.
I often hear statements about the bible that are incorrect but are left unchallenged because of lack of knowledge.

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What do you expect from a “minister” with a picture of Baruch Goldstein on his office wall.
Equally odious as Hamas.

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It’s getting near mischief night, must be practicing.

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64 wrote:

yep it’s all lies ,unless Israeli sources say so. “I support Israel”
I saw the Israeli UK ambassador on Sky news, how they’ve manged to dehumanise Palestinians in their minds is quite alarming. It’s like the think they are clearing away rats

Melanie Phillips has been doing this for years. Dismissing their very existence.

The Oslo accord died with the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.

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It’s not a game of football, people are dieing, in their thousands.
I can’t believe some of the stuff that’s put on here.
“I’m for the Israelis”.
“I’m for the Palestinians”.
What about the children?
There are evil people on both sides.
What about the innocents?
One thing that will happen is many more Palestinians will die than Israelis.
There will still be nutters supporting Hamas, resentment will continue.

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The savage attack by Hama’s is beyond understanding.
That said Melanie Phillip is a well known hater of Palestinians.
She needs to read the Book of Judges chapter 2 and 3.
There was no exclusivity in Israel/Palestine.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Stinking polyester replica shirts, music, people complaining about burping, farting, excessive phone camera use etc; ban em all!

You’re beginning to sound like Humphrey Smith, the ¥%¢π§ .
Bring back the Berkley.✊

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ironfromafar wrote:

Be nice to put a face to the name if any pics of Ms Harness are available… the Swan and DH ones are on the dart board in mi office.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/july/club-statement-two-further-directors-appointed/

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cassidystash wrote:

I also applaud Jimmy. He seems to appreciate how precious (if unstable) a job in professional football is. Far too many in his position regard it as ‘having made it’ so no further effort required. I still think a few shifts at the steelworks (or similar depending on location) would show those lucky enough to be paid, for what many of us did for nothing, how fortunate they are and how they should work to protect what they have.

As they use to have to do during the close season.

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Saved or doomed?

https://mylocal.co.uk/lincolnshire/feed/117407/north-lincolnshire-council-ready-to-assist-potential-scunthorpe-united-fc-investors

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All the best Jimmy.
You must be nuts though if my back’s anything to go by.

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Any truth in this?

Football club on the verge of new ownership

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Read the original post.

Ward mentions history from even further back, “eugenics-based scientific standards” that “informed opinions and policies on what it meant to be included not just as fully American, but as fully human” in the US in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, subsequently influencing Nazi laws regarding race.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

Just look at the chaos and misery Marxism inflicted on the world in the 20th Century.
The Woke ( cultural Marxism) of the 21st century will make the Marxism of the 20th century seem like the good times – even though it led to the deaths of over 100 million people. The Woolfie Smiths of this world will not give up their proven false ideology.

Does that mean “We know things are not right, but let’s keep quiet about it eh”.
As far as I understand the word “woke” means to have become aware, to wake up. Or the Orwellian new speak as a pejorative expression.
One of them is a lie, it can’t mean both.

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Nice one Kevin.

Still don’t like “Strictly” though.

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64 wrote:

Poor kid,should become a director of a big water company, he’d be immune from prosecution for environmental vandalism

Or the owner of a football club.

Both pure vandalism.

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The Casey report highlights the problems in the Met. Problems that have been there for decades.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65017475

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Gurnelista

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Awaywego wrote:

One was a thug though one of the boys.

Joe Neenan wuz innocent.

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I wish you’d all stop talking about Murdoch, it keeps reminding me of Blair going all the way to Australia, cap in hand, for an audience with his majesty. I couldn’t believe it.

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Or is he stepping down in the same way Putin stepped down leaving Medvedev in charge?

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