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  • in reply to: Nightmare November #295225
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    Sorry Sidey that wasn’t aimed at you, I was referring to Deerey and a moderator on the Cult page who similarly relentlessly argues with every nay-sayer on the page.

    in reply to: Lost the dressing room. Come on Fab 4 #295223
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    I guess my posts are repetitive because we’re having the same debates week in week out with the same problems and no change forthcoming from our inept manager. I’m not tech-savvy enough for chat-gpt but if repetition is the symptom of such a device maybe butler is using it to write his post match pressers.

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    I really don’t get the sheer arrogance of some posters thinking their theories, claims and notions are absolute and mustn’t be challenged or mocked.

    Isn’t that exactly your issue though? You don’t want anyone to question or challenge the manager or board? You use your role as moderator and the excessive amount of spare time you seemingly have, to patrol and immediately bat down anyone who criticises, with accusations of ‘abuse’ and nonsense of ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’s’, and ‘spirals of doom’. Your constant bickering with numerous posters, particularly after the few wins, is getting almost as bad as the cult page with their moderator arguing with every poster on every thread in the hope it drowns out the hundreds of comments from fans who’ve seen enough of Butler-ball and want him gone. Maybe you two could team up and if you both clap loud enough from behind your NLTV screens you’ll drown out the boos that have been echoing round GP!

    You could always scweem and scweem and scweem till the Board listens to you I suppose?

    I’ll not worry too much about that I share the views of Iron-Bru founder, that it’s only a matter of ‘when not if’. Had a listen to the iron hour podcast earlier too and didn’t realise just how much Butler has been reacting to fan backlash. Once managers starts biting back and asking fans ‘do you want to have a go? ’ it really is a matter of time…. Tick tock…

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    Should have known your next response would involve an accusation of ‘abuse, insults or slurs’. It’s your go to response for anyone and everyone who questions or criticises. You’re becoming as predictable as Butlers game plan Deerey. ;)

    in reply to: Lost the dressing room. Come on Fab 4 #295213
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    Agree an experienced manager who knows and has had success at this level and the one above is needed. I’ve said previously, being an ok player plus doing a coaching badge course, doesn’t automatically give one the skill set required for management. What we’ve seen thus far, and the fact he was fired from the Donny belles, would indicate Butler does not possess the necessary skills.

    Bizarre team choices with majority playing out of position, baffling substitutions, poor tactics no matter how much ‘homework’ we’ve allegedly done, coaching good players into average/poor ones, fixation on fitness over football, inability to identify players to improve the squad, inability to convince our best players to stay*, poor media skills, poor communication skills, low IQ, unwilling to learn, unwilling to accept responsibility for poor performances, unable to handle warranted criticism, the list goes on…

    But most critical to his unsuitability for the job, is his complete inability to read the game and make the necessary adjustments, both during the match or even (after the ‘reviewing and reflecting’ we hear so much about) for the next match. His lack of ability to read the game is further highlighted by the staggering post match interviews which more times than not have many of us questioning whether we have entered some alternate universe and watched an entirely different match. Extended contract or not he has to go.

    *and no that doesn’t just come down to money, sometimes the players have to believe in the manager / prospects for success and I’m sure those that departed are thinking ‘thank fook’ after Saturday’s abomination.

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    in reply to: Nightmare November #295212
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    Particularly for 414, IFA and awaywego. Hopes this helps with your current crises…

    Deerey you’ve spouted real some horse excrement on this platform but the suggestion that three old blokes (sorry chaps!) posting their honest assessment on the rubbish football we’ve seen, are somehow to blame for the shit show on Saturday is preposterous, even by your standards. If Butler remains in post and we therefore fail to be promoted it’s our fault for not clapping away like performing seals? Come off it!

    If you want to put your head in the sand and pretend Butler-ball is the best football you’ve ever seen and we will win the league at a canter, in the hope that the ‘prophecy will self-fulfill’ then be my guest. But that sounds like some new-age nonsense (some of) the youth of today practice, in order to avoid having to roll their sleeves up and do some graft!

    Those of us that live on planet earth with functioning eye balls, have seen the turgid tripe been served up at GP under Butler this season and rightly have reason to be concerned. It seems you don’t attend many matches Deerey so perhaps your NLTV is malfunctioning and showing you a different game to the one the rest of us are watching down at GP, or maybe you are just living in cloud cuckoo land.

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    in reply to: Nightmare November #295199
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    I’d possibly agree with your end of season prediction IFA if it wasn’t for the bottom line taking such a hit. Don’t think Michelle will tolerate the tumbling gates for long after everything she’s said about not allowing the club to get into financial trouble again. A prolonged period of low gates would render all the summers cost cutting useless. With many staying away (and being vocal about it) I think she will want the ‘new manager bounce’ both on the pitch and on the gate numbers.

    in reply to: Lost the dressing room. Come on Fab 4 #295197
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    Fair point MK but is their first gig one with a remit of ‘promotion is a must’ and would they be given a two year contract from a club with limited financials resources to make pay offs?

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    in reply to: Nightmare November #295195
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    Inaction from the board so here’s my prediction for ‘Dire December’. More turgid hoofball, defensive 5 at the back set ups, players looking more confused by the game and the repetition of old and tired soundbites from a manager thats becoming so detached from reality, he may need to be sectioned before the years out. The only thing plummeting faster than our league position will be our falling gates numbers. By end of December when the club coffers have taken enough of a pounding due to lost gate revenue, the board will finally be spurred into action and Santa will deliver us a new manager wrapped with a bow, in time for the turn of the year. By which point the league will be gone to pull aways Curzon and we will spend the rest of the season hoping the new gaffer can recoach our team back to a something that resembles a footballing side, so we can scrape the play offs and at least be in with a shot of winning that lottery. UTI!

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    in reply to: Shouting The Odds 2024-25 #295193
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    Still shorter odds than those of seeing some decent free flowing attacking football under Butler Deerey. ;)

    in reply to: Lost the dressing room. Come on Fab 4 #295192
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    Not really, unless you expect a gynaecologist to be able to do brain surgery because they are doctors much like brain surgeons.

    Expecting expertise in climatology from an astronomist is like playing Whitehall as centre back and expecting the best performance.

    Or like appointing a football player with no real management experience to be a football manager. Hmmmm.

    in reply to: Alfreton #295128
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    Reminding of the goals absolutely and I’m sure those conversations have already been happening between the board and Andy over the last few months since we’ve fallen off a cliff. Would the boss micro-manage the manager and tell him exactly how to achieve those goals? Probably not. If they aren’t capable of delivering the objectives, they would be sacked and replaced with someone who is.

    in reply to: Alfreton #295125
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    Forget board interference, as Deerey and CBRP say, it never ends well. It’s as good as a vote of no confidence in the manager at which point the writing is on the wall and we should just part ways. Desperate times and desperate measures may be true Les but we do have the ability to eradicate the (main) problem by getting rid of the manager who is responsible for the formation, player selection (square pegs round holes) and the style of play. I’m convinced someone could make a fist of it with this team. No doubt there’s a cost involved in sacking Butler but is that cost greater than the revenue being lost by those no longer showing up to matches? I’d be surprised.

    in reply to: Alfreton #295121
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    We need a way of using the crowd to our advantage not inspiring to the opponents. Sadly the dull crap Butler has decided on sends us to sleep or keeps us away. Hoping to get a 1-0 worked for Tamworth it doesn’t work for us.

    Spot on. Our manager has used Tamworth as the Blueprint, without considering the squad at his disposal or the fan base. So much so he even recruited specifically for the long throw. Surprised we haven’t found ourselves in a copyright lawsuit he’s done such a copy and paste job on their team. Grinding out 1-0 wins playing hoofball in front of their 800 fans at home, might have worked for a part-time Tamworth punching above their weight. But it doesn’t work here as a full-time outfit, with the highest budget in the league, playing in front of 3500 (and falling) fans who want to see some football being played.

    Not sure I agree with our players being average though. Most NLN managers would be creaming their pants with our squad. We watched 10 out of 11 of our regular starters play last year under Dean, possession based football, with the ball on the ground. They were criticised for being too ‘tippy tappy’. Imagine that! Granted we lost the best footballer in the league who was probably more instrumental than many realised in getting the ball on the deck, calming play down and getting us passing, but that decision again, was seemingly part of Butlers master plan to turn us into Tamworth Mark 2.

    It’s dreadful to watch and without action from the board any hope of promotion will be long gone, crowds will continue to drop like a stone and the ‘togetherness’ of last season will be but a distant memory, no matter how many ‘unity’ tag lines the club put out. At the moment the criticism is being reserved for the management but if the board allow this to continue much longer the goodwill will evaporate and the spotlight will turn to their decision making. Sad but true. Football is a fickle results-based business with little room for sentiment.

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    in reply to: Old Big Hair returns! #295117
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    At least some critics who post on both X and Bru, cut out the abuse on here. So much so, you’d be forgiven for thinking they’re different people!

    Will take that comment with a rather large pinch of salt considering we’ve seen on this forum your benchmark for ‘abuse’ is merely referring to the manager as arrogant. You must have lived a sheltered life Deerey!

    Never have i wanted my home town team to loose but if another defeat or two was to get rid of the current incumbents then i will take it.. sad but true.

    Sorry state of affairs but would agree that a win at this point would only be kicking the can down the road. The sooner he’s gone the greater chance we have of turning it around.

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    in reply to: Alfreton #294984
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    Spoke very well in this latest interview IMO but no doubt some will take issue with aspects of it and resort to insults like ‘buffoon’ and ‘thicko’

    Completely agree Deerey, totally out of line comments and a complete insult… To ‘buffoons’ and ‘thickos’ worldwide. Even they would recognise that the same action repeated over and over will yield the same results, unlike our inept manager who fails to realise such. His interviews are almost as dreadful as his football but I’m glad you like them.

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    in reply to: Alfreton #294982
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    Does the board actually come to the match and watch the rubbish that is being served up, surely they can see AB is taking this club down. There is currently a petition going round asking for a new general election. Maybe its time we started a petition to the board for a new manager!!

    Think the petition has already been started and people are signing it by not attending matches.

    in reply to: Nightmare November #294980
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    Let’s end it on a high.

    Well it certainly was not the high ending we hoped for. Alas probably the worst game of football in recent history to conclude Nightmare November. Question now is will we get a Dreadful or Delightful December? I suspect the answer to that question lies in the hands of our board and their action (or inaction) in the coming days.

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    in reply to: Got to Go Andy #294968
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    Our favourite super-mod (who is eerily quiet, in stark contrast to the gloating and petty squabbling post-Leamington) loves an X quote so here’s a couple of views from prominent members of the SUFC community.

    Matt Ellis Iron Bru podcast host and Iron Trust board member:

    ‘The badge had been disgraced today. Why save a club to then bring that to the fans. Butler is on thin ice, and if he isn’t, he fucking needs to be. Disgraceful, embarrassing. #UTI’

    Loyal IRON fan FlatCapsNBorvil:

    ‘Under Butler I genuinely don’t think we’ll even make top 7. Get a new bloke in who knows what he’s doing, fast.’

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    ‘Looking around today I’ve never seen so many glum faces. Young and old, heads shaking wondering what the hell is going on. Crowds will continue to plummet sadly. We’re Scunthorpe United FFS, we do have a way of playing and this most certainly isn’t it. Worrying times ahead.’

    Iron Bru Podcast:

    ‘Like watching two huge turds sliding down the pan.’

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    ‘I don’t think Butler will turn it around. He’s a busted flush and Curzon are threatening to run away with it. It is simply a matter of when, not if, he gets the boot.’

    With the latter quote in mind the new manager will have some serious work to do. Going to inherit a lop-sided squad with few (fit) wide options. We’ve taken some giant strides backward in terms of the teams footballing ability. Butler has managed to coach good footballers (for NLN) into players unable to make simple 6 yard passes. Jimmy-ball now seems like a distant dream. Automatic promotion seems like a mountain to climb but would not be impossible if the board act swiftly!

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    in reply to: Go and go now #294967
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    Narcissistic? – The Needs of the Many (Supporters) Outweigh The Needs of the Few (Management Team)

    Unbelievable levels of arrogance, zero evidence of learning, detached from reality, desperately clinging to non-existent positives and most worryingly to quote Butler, ‘Im doing exactly what I need to do, I won’t approach it differently’. If the manager won’t approach it differently after the shite we witnessed yesterday, then that just leaves the board to take a different approach, one which involves a P45 and an advert in the shop window for a new gaffer.

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    in reply to: Get Out You Clown #294934
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    Let’s hope Michelle and Co put an end to our misery soon. With a 2 week break it’s as good a time as any to make the necessary change.

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    in reply to: Lost the dressing room. Come on Fab 4 #294932
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    Must be more frustrating for them as players than us as fans. The 5-3-2 flatters no one, so it’s no surprise to hear they have lost confidence in the manager and his system.

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    in reply to: Alfreton #294931
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    Doesn’t get any worse than yesterday’s display. Left on 75 mins as nephew was fed up and wanted to leave (a common theme this season as he’s spent the majority of games fiddling with his mobile phone rather than watching the match, but I suppose thats a reflection of the football on offer) at which point there had been no attendance announcement, but was markedly quieter than previous Saturdays. Not much to say on the football other than dreadful. All too predictable the way it’s panning out under Butler. Another deluded interview on humberside where he seemed somewhat satisfied with a point and a clean sheet masking just how horrifically bad the game was. Boos at half time were loud enough so can imagine it wasn’t too pleasant at full time as the wedge between team and fans gets greater. League position continues to flatter even at 3rd (or 7th if those with games in hand win), we will be thanking our lucky stars to make the play offs this season. If someone offered us 7th now we’d have to snap their hand off?

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    in reply to: Butler out 2.0 #294398
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    Losing players we liked and having a manager who is unable to get results is nowhere near as catastrophic as the club being run to the ground.

    Of course it’s not, but we cant keep pedalling the ‘we almost lost the club’ line forever. It’s growing tiresome, we’ve heard it enough. If we were winning games would we still be talking about our near-extinction? I highly doubt it.

    in reply to: Butler out 2.0 #294392
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    ‘United we stand’ is merely a tag line used to keep supporters showing up so the tills keep ringing at Glanford Park. But the reality is that the board are not in alignment with the majority of fans at the moment; Butlers extension, keeping him in post after the worst run of form since relegation season, endorsing the departure of our best players, sacking Turnbull, the Catering going from bad to worse etc. Moreover, I said before the start of the season the main indicator of success would be whether we could maintain the ‘feel good factor’ of last season. Unfortunately it is dissipating like a fart in the wind.

    In the wake of ‘Hilton-Gate’ there was a surge in support for the club and since we’ve been riding the crest of a wave. People who hadn’t bothered with attending games for years, came out of the woodwork and the 5 and 6 goal victories, entertaining football, and moments of brilliance from some of our best players, kept them coming back.

    Now the ‘almost lost the club’ narrative is losing gravitas, the football is god awful to watch, we’re out of both cups and looking increasingly likely to be floating round the middle of the table for the second half of the season.

    Add to that the ‘fans favourites’ departing; The couple of players that had endeared themselves to fans off the pitch with charitable donations, questionable hairstyles, passion for the club and general likability. Now we seem to have a group of lads, disconnected from the fans who look like they can’t be arsed.

    The manager and his repetitive interviews are adding to frustrations. He’s becoming insufferable. Despite Jimmy’s tactical shortcomings he was a fairly affable chap. Andy is arrogant, stubborn as a mule, showing no signs of learning and running down the tunnel at full time, two home games on the spin, after lapping up the glory and fist pumping up the DRE at the start of the season.

    The warning signs are clear that the fair weathers are losing interest. FA Trophy gate was down around 30% on the same game last year, some fans are explicitly stating they are staying away or not travelling to away games. Gate numbers for league games are looking OK but with a record breaking year of season ticket sales, how many of those fans are actually paying for tickets? I’d imagine a fair amount less than last season. Lose the fair weather fans and it will be VERY difficult to entice them back.

    ‘Doom and Gloom’ as you call it is just a dose of reality. What good does looking through rose tinted spectacles do? It’s the hope that kills you. All the positivity at the start of the season and we’ve been served up the most negative brand of football in years.

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    in reply to: Butler out 2.0 #294382
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    To me and what I’ve seen and heard he’s toast the feeling and resentment is built in now.
    Unity there’s no unity and there never will be.

    The board certainly haven’t helped the feeling of resentment with the contract extension** which I said at the time had fanned the flames, but was quickly shot down by our super-mod as ‘total exaggeration’. Alas it’s now a constant talking point and causing questions to be asked of the board and their decision making. The timing, on the back of some disappointing league results and an FA cup knockout from Guiseley, was questionable and as I said previously had a ‘stuff the fans’ feel so clearly hasn’t helped the ‘UNITY’.

    **the extension that according to Michelle’s most recent interview wasn’t an extension it was just a contract as he didn’t have one in the first place. Find this a little staggering that as a professional outfit we have a manager and an assistant manager signing players and steering the ship without having actually put pen to paper. Even the Dog and Duck would have some paperwork in place? Nevertheless even if there wasn’t, it still doesn’t explain the need to give him a 2 season deal instead of to the end of this season.

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    in reply to: Two Up Top Under Butler. #294371
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    posters on Bru nearly always know better, despite any, as far as I’m aware, experience of playing or coaching at professional level.

    About the same amount of managerial experience as Butler then, aside from a spell with the Doncaster divas before he got the sack and putting the cones out for Jimmy last year.

    Having playing experience does not automatically give someone the skill set to be a manager, let alone a decent one. Would you trust an air hostess to fly your plane?

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    in reply to: Warrington Rylands #294370
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    What has happened to Evans? He was a class act last year.

    It’s staggering the down turn in form from Evan’s this season. He was probably the best CB in the league last year.

    I didn’t go to the game but did listen on the wireless. The usually upbeat Torpey sounded rather exasperated in the second half and described us as looking completely clueless. Sounds about right.

    Bizzare subs (putting Brogan at RWB… WTF?), more howlers in defence, no sign of any change despite two new faces, losing to a team at the bottom of the 7th tier, whilst playing poor football, it’s all wearing a bit thin.

    The crest of the wave has come crashing down and without the football doing a major U-turn we are set to fluff our way through the season to a mid table finish.

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    in reply to: Post Match Interview #294369
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    Post match was much of the same. Lots of old, worn out sound bites, working hard, get back to the training pitch, review, reflect etc etc etc. Most frustrating of all, the formation is still not to blame. Quite impressive the level of arrogance required to be unwilling to even consider that it would be a factor as to why so many individuals are making howlers so frequently.

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    Can’t say I’m disappointed with the Turnbull ‘termination’ as our recruitment has needed some big improvements for some time. Though I agree with comments on the other thread, the statement could have been slightly more tactful, but there’s no sentiment in football I suppose.

    I still think we would be better served bringing in an experienced manager who can do his own recruitment, and combine the salaries from the two posts to bring in someone decent. Quality over quantity, unlike the summer signings. Let’s learn from our previous errors.

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