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Deereyme66 wrote:

What do you prefer, ‘soccer’?

Yes, soccer is fine, footy sets me teeth on edge. It’s the sort of word I’d expect Tim Lovejoy types to use, or the sort of people who say “I don’t really like football but you’ve got to watch the world cup, haven’t you?”, or Chelsea fans.

Anyway, Merry Christmas!

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Can’t work out what outrages me more: that terrible offering from Stockport or the use of the word “footy”.

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cassidystash wrote:

Good to know he’s been outstanding at a level he’ll likely be playing next season.
We had 2 LBs on the bench last week so surely he won’t be used there!!

Gainsborough play in the 8th tier of English football, so that’s 3 below us (at the moment!)

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cassidystash

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WonderGoals wrote:

One point he spent around 120% more than what we were earning. A panel overlooking such matters should have nipped that in the bud very early on because that’s absolutely ridiculous.

Wages were 140% of turnover for at least one season, I believe.

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TwoWrights wrote:

And again, a successful England team is some ‘supporters’ worst nightmare.

Particularly the publishers of some of the country’s most popular newspapers.

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TwoWrights

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MK Iron wrote:

Take the Croatia semi and the Italy final. Both against teams that were good but not really great. In both games he was given a winning lottery ticket with an early goal from an unlikely source. Both oppenents were rocking and shell shocked after conceding. Instead of unleashing the cavalry and getting the goal(s) that would have probably won those matches the team dropped deeper and deeper and barely laid a glove on the opposition after scoring.

I think in both cases the inability of English midfielders to keep the ball was the biggest issue, one which may well arise in the QF against France. Bellingham is a wonderful player but not sure we can expect a teenager to run the game against France.

I can understand where criticism of Southgate comes from at times but let’s be right, his teams are by some distance the most successful of my 40-something summers. Even Bobby Robson only managed it in one tournament, just shows how tough international tournaments are at the back end.

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Another 3-0 win with the manager’s most-discussed selections all paying off in style? At some point, people are going to have to start giving Gareth Southgate some credit.

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Evolution not revolution, we’re not a loadsamoney club who can afford grand gestures, we’re going to have to get used to making a little go a long way. Get back to the days of “Little ol’ Scunny” punching above our weight. Small steps to begin with, starting on a long journey to get us back to where we should be.

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MosbyCumner, Iron-awe, North Lincolnshire Irons

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What’s wrong with that? It’s English’s fault for not having an equivalent of 1/8th final. In French, Italian, German, Spanish, they all talk about the semi-final, quarter-final and eighth-final.

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IronIronIron wrote:

The total goals scored in the list ypu provided is 17. I’m sure that’s more than the 9 they have scored so far!!

I phrased it badly but I meant that England have scored 17 (I think) over the group stages at this world cup and Russia 2018 – the two world cups that Southgate has been in charge for.

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Don’t compare Swann to Fenty though – Fenty never took the Cods into the Conference North!

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9 goals in the group stage, similar to the last world cup. More goals than England scored at the 2014 (2), 2010 (3), 2006 (6) and 2002 (6) world cups put together. But, sure, Southgate’s a negative, defensive manager who plays with the handbrake on.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

Especially at the lower levels I don’t think you can buy some of the value that experience offers. One of our biggest weaknesses in the last few years has been game management, it’s not something you can really teach but things are picked up with the more games you play. Look how often we concede at bad times, by bad times I mean within the first 10 mins, right after we score and in the last 10 mins.
Dawson/bishop/Mirfin/Gilks were the last I can recall that seemed to Marshall and galvanise those around them.

I’m not saying that experience doesn’t have its benefits but are they out-weighed by the ambition, courage, willingness to try new things of youth? I’m not sure.

I’d agree with you that many of the young players thrown into the first team in the last couple of years haven’t shown themselves to be good enough.

I’d like to see more of Wilson & Foster in time, whatever happened to Harvey Cribb?

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

Youngsters should be nowhere near this team at present; if we were higher up the league with a settled manager/coaching staff and some experienced, competent professional players regularly starting, then yes, throw a couple in by all means. As we used to do years ago with good results.

As last year showed, when you throw them in a poor side all it does it ruin their development.

Not sure I entirely agree with this. I have a bit of a pet theory that experience is massively over-rated in football, because experience teaches you to be more cautious, to be afraid, whereas the innocence of youth is something to be harnessed. Obviously not to the extent of last season but that’s not an excuse to keep promising young players out of the first team.

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lesgeo wrote:

But many on here seem to have deep-rooted objections to having more than one youngster in any starting eleven, WG. If we were to play three – some would surely go apoplectic.

I think people like to see promising youngsters in the team but we have also all been scarred by the way Hill completely gave up on last season by turning the first team into a youth team, none of whom are anywhere to be seen this season.

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bartonscorpion, Cliff Byrne's Right Peg, North Lincolnshire Irons, SD0101, cassidystash

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Sanfran49 wrote:

They are there to take the flak and offer little. They seem to act as though on NDA’s.

If they’re privvy to board meetings, maybe they are?

Northumbiron wrote:

And as for the state of the ground. When your house is up for sale do you bother fitting a new stair carpet?

I fitted one to sell my last house! Tart the place up a bit, make it look a bit more attractive to buyers. Get a better price than if we’d left the old threadbare one.

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CMC wrote:

At least we don’t have to play in the Papa Johns Trophy anymore. 700 at Grimsby and 1445 at Lincoln last night, barely worth the costs of putting the game on but the EFL desperately want to keep their pointless sham cup going.

The Premier League are basically subsidising it for their B teams.

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Not that it concerns us anymore but I’ve always said it should be scrapped and the League Cup should be for EFL clubs only (ie no PL). The PL managers are always moaning about too many fixtures anyway.

Again, the EFL can’t afford this. The TV contract for the EFL matches also includes the League Cup and without those games, there’s no way Sky are paying anything like the current sum. I seem to remember that during the Covid shutdown, Sky tried to renegotiate the value of the contract and it was clear they valued the League Cup much higher than any amount of Football League matches.

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Ultimately, you can sell pretty much anything if you get the price right for buyers.

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Desertiron wrote:

The liverpool owners have done it the right way and shown how owners serious about selling a club would go about it. The club is for sale and the asking price is 4bn. It’s that simple, announce that the club is up for sale and the price it is for sale at. That weeds out any people that aren’t serious or don’t have the money required, then all the nonsense about potential buyers not being able to provide proof of funds etc is nipped in the bud before any time is wasted. The only reason for him not to announce the price is if something said before would then be proven to be false relating to the stadium or whatever. Otherwise, it makes no sense.

Difference between a seller’s market and a buyer’s market.

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Iron Age wrote:

Joined in 3rd round 1961, beat Blackpool 6-2.
Ah well, sigh.

Cheers IA, I wasn’t sure how far back the tradition went of top 2 tier clubs entering in the 3rd round.

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Dunno, is he?

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Older posters will be able to tell us if we would have joined at a later round in the 1960s when we were in the second tier.

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MK Iron wrote:

72 years since the first round of the FA cup without the Iron taking part.

Thanks Peter.

Not quite true, I can remember 3 seasons between 2007/08 and 2010/11 when we didn’t enter until the 3rd round. You remember those days? Back when the club was run like a hobby.

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Pat O'Cake, bartonscorpion, SODIron, North Lincolnshire Irons

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Bit surprised by that, wonder if it is as much about who we’ve played as our position in the table – i.e. much harder games still to come?

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Northumbiron wrote:

Aye, can’t deny he’s no worse than Hill. Or Cox for that matter.

Keith Hill: 5 wins in 48 games
Tony Daws: 2 wins in 8 games

Quite a bit better, I’d say!

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It’s great that we managed to win with Apter having an off day last night but given the number of goals & assists he has during his time here I think it’s safe to say that he is quite good.

Hopefully Cam Wilson can fill the void he leaves in January.

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Sharp_Shooter24, North Lincolnshire Irons, Cliff Byrne's Right Peg, Northumbiron

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Come on SS, Daws is doing ok, his record is streets ahead of “experienced” manager Hill’s this season, with exactly the same squad.

It’s not the biggest priority for me, not by a long chalk.

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mistertonmick wrote:

I was told by someone last night who is known to everyone on here and we would love to be part of a consortium, that the current situation is a lot to do with the players performances especially the last two weeks, and that our owner is a very difficult person to deal with.

Surely some mistake!

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I can imagine Boothferry Park in its heyday was quite the sight. Am I right that by the end, the stand down one side of the pitch had been condemned?

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Quality oxymoron there TW.

How do you feel now looking back at Boothferry Park? Do you miss it? I always found it a bit of a hole, in that crappy supermarket end, but then I find the KC very sterile and bland. Not sure if I’d want to watch football there every week.

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