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  • #249240
    SideriteSiderite
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    What a drab performance. Any team which comes at us and gives us a go has us struggling. Southgate too cautious against a weaker side again, just like against Scotland last year.

    #249241
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    Phil Foden one of the premiership outstanding players can’t get a game!!!!

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    #249242
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    Yes it was very poor tonight, strange nobody came on here and raised a thread about the 6-2 win on Monday. Guess everybody missed that one 🤔

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    How to transform in to a League one team within 3 days. How?

    #249259
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    The England fans out in Qatar must have missed the 6-2 on Monday booing them off last night,why does Daws send them out to play like that in the first place, a negative performance like that is only be acceptable in a final so long as we win it, but we tried that in the Euros and it didn’t work leaving everyone other than Ironawe and Southgate underwhelmed.

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    To be quite honest I thought the US were too cautious, I was expecting a full press as against Wales and England making rushed mistakes. I think we got off lightly. I don’t have much confidence in the English defence.

    #249266
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    The USA were better then us,simples though why Foden and Grealish didn’t start to freshen things up is beyond me and apparently Southgate too. He picks the team but if those two start we win the game IMO and I can take four points out of six with Wales to follow because he will change it and England will win and therefore qualify with ease.

    #249267
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    The USA were better than us because they have a coach who has them well drilled and playing to their strengths. Ours doesn’t seem to know how to use any creative talent and wastes what we do have.

    #249517
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    Better performance last night after the first 20 mins. 64yrs wait for Wales why did they bother looked and played as good as Scunthorpe, at least like scunny their fans turned up. Good to hear their fans this morning wanting Senegal to beat us just how it should be, not this media bollocks of supporting any British team.

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    #249519
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    More like it. Rashford and Foden have to start now. No excuses for reverting to Sterling and Saka. I like Saka, but he was poor against the USA, the former two deserve a place more, and Sterling shouldn’t have been starting in the first place.

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    9 goals in the group stage, similar to the last world cup. More goals than England scored at the 2014 (2), 2010 (3), 2006 (6) and 2002 (6) world cups put together. But, sure, Southgate’s a negative, defensive manager who plays with the handbrake on.

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    9 goals in the group stage, similar to the last world cup. More goals than England scored at the 2014 (2), 2010 (3), 2006 (6) and 2002 (6) world cups put together. But, sure, Southgate’s a negative, defensive manager who plays with the handbrake on.

    The total goals scored in the list ypu provided is 17. I’m sure that’s more than the 9 they have scored so far!!

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    #249534
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    9 goals in the group stage, similar to the last world cup. More goals than England scored at the 2014 (2), 2010 (3), 2006 (6) and 2002 (6) world cups put together. But, sure, Southgate’s a negative, defensive manager who plays with the handbrake on.

    To be fair, Sven was very negative in his mindset, and the 2010 and 2014 squads were poor and mismanaged.

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    9 goals in the group stage, similar to the last world cup. More goals than England scored at the 2014 (2), 2010 (3), 2006 (6) and 2002 (6) world cups put together. But, sure, Southgate’s a negative, defensive manager who plays with the handbrake on.

    and the 2010 and 2014 squads were poor and mismanaged.

    Ah yes the much vaunted golden generation as I recall the press gushing over.

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    One of the things Southgate gets deserved plaudits is uniting the team. The ‘golden generation’ had too many uncontrolled egos and no coach with the strength of character to get them in check. This left them playing as individuals and the lack of team ethic cost us when we came across sides of quality.

    I don’t think it’s all down to Gareth, I think the last decade or so of not feeding the egos of our players, not telling them they’re the best in the world like we did with Gerrard, Beckham and Lampard, has helped lead to a greater team spirit too. However, I don’t think it’s just that. We still played like a bunch of ill fitting donkeys long after the ‘golden generation’ retired. Kyle Walker said that one of the first things Southgate did was to get the players together and make everyone feel welcome, getting them to bond as a team a lot better, without the cliques. Lampard did say that during his time this wasn’t done and everyone seemed to keep to their club and not converse with those from others, plus he wanted to one-up Gerrard. This was the mentality within England. I think Southgate has removed this mentality and deserves plaudits for how he has united the squad.

    My question is how he handles big games strategically, and picking of favourites. He might say it’s loyalty, but there aren’t any excuses for leaving Foden or Rashford on the bench now so Sterling can put in another lacklustre performance.

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    #249591
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    The total goals scored in the list ypu provided is 17. I’m sure that’s more than the 9 they have scored so far!!

    I phrased it badly but I meant that England have scored 17 (I think) over the group stages at this world cup and Russia 2018 – the two world cups that Southgate has been in charge for.

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    The USA selection and tactics were not correct but this happens to lots of teams, look at Poland last night, absolutely clueless set up that must have left their fans so frustrated. Argentina lost their first game and their fans were on the verge of suicide but have managed to win their next two although still being barely above average. At least Southgate took the lessons learned from the second game, made changes and took a different strategy into the Welsh game. Let’s be right, despite all the blah blah blah about Welsh togetherness and bravery they were crap and deserve to go home, so much bigger games ahead for England. I believe Rashford has played himself into the starting eleven after Tuesday and it’s a nice problem for the manager now having players on form and fit. Personally I thought Henderson was immense for England last match, what a leader on the pitch, much better captain material then Kane IMO but I appreciate he me not get the nod every time whereas Kane is a shoo-in if fit, despite not scoring yet at this tournament.

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    I would say that we should be aiming higher than Poland. We have a better squad.

    Also, while Kane hasn’t scored, he has created and played quite well I think in coming back and dragging the ball forward. However, I realise the frustration of a non-scoring striker.

    I don’t think Southgate is a bad manager for us. He’s probably been the best for decades. He deserves plaudits. I get bored of the binary nature of this. Either Southgate’s useless or he’s beyond criticism. I have concerns and I won’t be too happy if we struggle against stronger teams than Iran and Wales because of his flaws.

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    #249619
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    Didn’t see anything wrong with the selection against the USA just the tactics, dropping Saka about the same as Truss dropping Quarteng.

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    Saka didn’t cost the country 30 billion quid, no comparison.

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    Personally I thought Henderson was immense for England last match, what a leader on the pitch, much better captain material then Kane IMO but I appreciate he me not get the nod every time whereas Kane is a shoo-in if fit, despite not scoring yet at this tournament.

    I don’t get this Henderson thing, I wouldn’t give him a game for The Iron. He taps it backwards 90% of the time and gives it away every time he goes forwards. Seldom gets out of a trot and cleverly puts an oppositon player between himself and the teammate in possession to avoid having to get involved in the play. Can’t deny his vocal ability though.

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    #249731
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    Definitely a case of ‘I can’t see what he does… but I can hear it!’

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    #249751
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    You make him sound more like a government minister then a footballer DM.

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    Far more useful!

    #249958
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    I thought Rashford deserved a start. How many other teams would think of dropping him after scoring 2 last time out. hopefully just resting him for the French game.

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    Thought Rashford would start tonight but Saka his replacement scored a very good goal to justify the managers faith. Also Henderson who gets a lot of negative vibes on here was excellent and took his goal very well. Bellingham and Foden showed just why they should be nailed on England starters every game and yes we started slowly and played poor for the first thirty minutes but hey, it’s the World Cup, we won’t dominate every game all the time because the teams left are pretty good too. We won the game and second half game management was spot on. The French game should be a cracker because both teams strengths are quick attacking players and both defenses are not that great. I just hope it’s a very open attacking game where we play to our strengths and give it a real go which I believe we will. Both teams will fancy their chances and rightly so.

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    Pleased with the result and accept that all teams have bad spells during a game, but the first 35 minutes were poor. We look really good when moving forward at pace and the team are taking the chances well. But still a glaring issue with Maguire, let’s hope Mbappe goes nowhere near him on Saturday.

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    Great result after a poor opening half hour in which Senegal should have nicked agoal ..

    Now can our defense keep Mbappe out .. im not so sure.. should be great game very tight to call and will come down to individual moments of brilliance or an error .. still waiting for the usual Pickford moment !!

    Hoping not going to pens ..

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    Usual Pickford moment?
    Can’t recall him ever having a “moment” for England

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    Also Henderson who gets a lot of negative vibes on here was excellent and took his goal very well.

    I admit to being a serious Henderson critic but agree he took his goal well. My problem is with his overall contribution which, apart from a couple of positive runs, appeared to consist of taking command of the centre circle whilst waving his arms instructing team mates to pass backwards. Never saw him put in a tackle, sorry if I missed it.

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