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It’s from 14/9/23 and this thread started just after. No reason to believe it hasn’t been paid.

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Thanks

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Is there an alternative channel’s news you’d recommend Siderite? Pretty sure you’re not going to suggest Al Jazeera, Channel 4, Sky or GB News. It’s the best we’ve got IMO.

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Yes. that was a bad mistake. They corrected it. I’m not going to keep using it as a stick to keep beating them with. I can understand why others keep doing that though.

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I won’t be reading any Elan Journo material in the pursuit of a balanced objective take on the history of the region, thanks all the same JI. I did plenty of my own research during college and university years, and a substantial amount thereafter.

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Correction: white phosphorus is not banned as a chemical weapon under international conventions.

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I haven’t seen any hard evidence that it’s currently being used. I hope indisputable facts are established.

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Reason I asked the question above, just one example: a Palestinian surgeon being interviewed last night claimed burns on some children were very indicative of deep white phosphorus burns (it being a contravention of international law to use in war). An Israeli official denied it’s being used and raised a point about Palestinian’s having to say things under duress or fear of persecution by Hamas. It’s claimed this pressure has been proven before and I’m not doubting it happens. However, how can I be sure that is the case every time a Palestinian civilian or medical professional is interviewed? Or am I expected just to take the Israeli officials on their word and not Palestinians? Can you see the issue here?

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Just an observation, when either Israeli or Palestinian officials are questioned on detail by TV or radio interviewers they often get angry and defensive. So should an impartial viewer trust both or neither? Haven’t both been found to have fabricated facts in the past? Please don’t take that to mean I trust Hamas. I really don’t. I’m also not questioning the figures from the 7 Oct atrocity either.

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Thanks but that’s not what I asked.

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Don’t think there’s much international appetite for the way the Israeli government are handling this overall, but they’re not intervening. I can see it happening personally.

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‘…even though Hamas have killed not only Israelis but plenty of Gazans over the years’

As many as the IDF have killed Palestinian’s over the years? Genuine question. Not seeking to compete.

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It really isn’t.

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‘Comedians’? Alan Partridge’s idea of a comedian maybe.

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I didn’t say it was. I said it’s ‘on the back of’ which it is. Not being misunderstood or misinterpreted works both ways Siderite.

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Is this what Christian right wingers find amusing? Getting cheap laughs on the back of Israeli and Palestinian civilians being slaughtered? Nice.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Sums you up to be honest.

Just to be clear, I’d have been happy to leave your abusive and aggressive post up Bartonscorpion, to demonstrate what you’re about, but as another forum member reported it, I deleted it. And hopefully this explanation means that my comment above doesn’t appear to be a response to Iron-awe’s post.

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Sums you up to be honest.

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I agree. There’s no point in you commenting on it anymore.

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https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/statement-principals-inter-agency-standing-committee-situation-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territory-we-need-immediate-humanitarian-ceasefire

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Likewise

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Happy to have a discussion about this subject should we ever meet Siderite. I think it’s better served in that environment and not on forums and other social media.

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‘you have moaned about lengthy posts anyway.’

No I haven’t! I made a comment about your lengthy posts. That’s not moaning. And you’re accusing me of slander? Ffs.

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I think we’re typing at the same time Siderite. By the time I’ve posted something you’ve already posted something else. This is too complex and highly charged for a non-football discussion for me. I’ve given my opinion. Stepping out now.

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I think you’re exaggerating to make points now tbh

‘However, saying anything in support of Israel is apparently ‘unbalanced’’

No. That’s not what anyone has said. That’s disrespectful IMO.

‘Saying only a little bit about Palestinian’s means you’re evil.’

Likewise. No one has said that and I doubt the majority in this discussion think that. Why are you twisting what’s being said.

Everyone knows it’s a highly complex situation with no easy answers. Of course Hamas’s actions on 7 Oct were an atrocity, I’ve already said that. No one is denying it. However, I’m more focused on what is happening now to civilians in Gaza. It simply shouldn’t be happening. You can write all the detail you like, most of us are probably aware of a lot of it. It’s not like we’re uneducated.

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Siderite wrote:

I could say the same to you and others about Israelis tbh.

Yeah, you could but but you’d be totally incorrect. All I’ve posted about is how Israel’s response is effecting civilians. If you’ve posted anything substantial about the spiralling humanitarian crisis, affecting children every day then I apologise.

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I’m happy to have my opinion challenged and changed Bartonscorpion. Not by people who are willfully ignoring a humanitarian disaster that could be avoided and certainly not by bigots like you.

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‘First to commend you Sidey for a detailed and principled stand which reflects a well informed and humble attitude.’

Because you agree with it. There’s barely anything about the inhumanity towards Palestinian civilians in any of his lengthy posts. It’s not a balanced view. Any fool can see that. It’s ironic how you are both quick to jump on the flag wavers and protesters, of which I’m not one, but celebrate each others position. I find it an uncomfortable read. Just my opinion.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-war-crimes-laws-apply-israel-palestinian-conflict-2023-11-02/

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Of course it’s retribution. Retribution for the Hamas atrocity. If you’re claiming otherwise I think you’re deluded personally. Israel bombing areas where civilians are, simply because Hamas use them as human shields shouldn’t even be a debating point. Disgusting and against international law. Committing war crimes. Simple as that. I find your general opinions on this subject biased tbh Siderite. You seem to be on a mission to dig out social media interpretations that irk you. I’ll stick with BBC and Channel 4 news interpretations. The inhumanity increases by the day and world leaders are just letting it happen. Horrific.

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