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For those asking about Dean’s contract… again… from the Pboro local paper, his intial contract says it ran till June i make it.
So from what i can gather he was given a new one. wonder who authorised that…
It’s early May.
He’s a ‘politician’ – what do you expect.
Better.
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I’m not saying he’s right or wrong about anything. The manner of his expression is what is offensive. Absolutely charmless self-congratulatory loon-eyed rot pot.
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By something happening I was indicating to a disagreement over budget rather something untoward.
But do you mean potential playing budget, or the budget which involves management wages?
Looks like the contract wasn’t expired after all according to the latest podcast. If so we are potentially paying off another management team unless a clause was inserted within the deal.
WG assured us it was so it must have been true.
Do the Iron Hour people have any knowledge or is this WG style guesswork?
Jimmy signed an 18 month contract and no extension has ever been announced.
If it was an 18-month contract then maybe there was some negotiating to do over pay (etc) for a couple of months outstanding (if there were a couple of contracted months outstanding at the time of leaving, that is).
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Not sure, something has certainly happened during the last few days. If he was going I’d imagine it would have been announced on Monday. This seems to have come out of the blue.
The game was Saturday, Sunday was a rest day for all concerned.
Perhaps not all of the Board was available for a meeting immediately on Monday, so it was held over ’til Tuesday (or whenever). If you’re running a Board that is seriously co-operative then you wouldn’t just ‘fire’ someone from the important position of team manager and announce it like flicking a switch. You would discuss the whole situation and make your suggestions for a new scenario without that person (and with someone else). You would want to discuss and negotiate with the person who is leaving etc etc etc (particularly if, as seems to be the case, it was a contract not being renewed rather than a sacking). I don’t think announcing it a mere few days after the game indicates ‘something happening’ this week that is untoward. It seems to me to indicate Michelle and co have handled it calmly, decisively and relatively quickly. Professionally, in other words.
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I would say if this is correct then the club must be confident of finances as he won’t be the cheap option and will be expecting a few decent signing at least.I hope he is coming and succeeds, I did like him as a player
I don’t think it can be correct, surely? The club, under Michelle’s stewardship, seems to be trying to be truly realistic about the finances. In other words it’s cutting coat according to cloth, or that is the ultimate aim. I don’t see the Board risking what would be an expensive punt. Far more likely to promote Andy Butler (or bring in Brian Laws) than anything else, I think.
I am amazed how much he seems to have bonded with the fans, given how completely uninspiring he was.
This had a lot to do with the whole club situation itself. He was here when it was about to go pop, and he was still standing when it didn’t.
We’ve also the possibility of cash from the sale of shares which seems to be taking a bit of sorting. 1,000 supporters each buying £100 of shares would be a welcome addition.
I’ve thought about this quite a bit as I myself have expressed an interest to Michelle for buying shares, but am yet to receive a reply. I imagine this lack of reply to actually mean that she’s compiling a list of interested parties and will be in touch with each person once the club’s debts are cleared (which she has said she wants to do prior to next season starting). A share issue at that point could be a nice little influx of cash for a debt-free club – but, if shares are issued right now and money taken, the money would probably have to disappear into the debt-pot.
I think Butterfield did not play as well as he could because he had little respect for the manager
But what about respect for himself?
To me, Whitehall looked better when we had a little spell late in the season of playing more direct football. He has a really great touch and is pretty smart with it.
Butterfield seemed to become less effective as the season wore on.
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And him giving Swanny £150.000 in the first place would put pressure on Swanny to sell Sharp the club and ground Apollo.
I’m happy what I’ve seen and read to form my opinion.We don’t actually know what the agreement between Sharp and the club (Swann) was regarding the money. Let’s take it at face value that it was a loan essentially put in as goodwill to secure the sale – which did not then happen.
But in a round about way it now has and Sharp is on the board and, we can presume, he is not asking for his money back urgently (if at all).
By we are high and mighty there Snot, the accounts haven’t been published yet and yet you know, seriously what’s up with ya you really are a Walter Mitty character.
This seems a bit unnecessary to me.
In any case, the abridged version of the accounts up to June 2023 has been published (on 28th March 2024). Doesn’t that cover the period which includes the loan from Sharp?
To right Apollo11, at that moment in time Hilton had walked away from the club, the club itself in dire straights and a supposedly fan wanting to be included as a creditor is beyond me! And no reason to think he wont still will want it back if he walks away from the board.
The not so Sharp bit comes from him handing over £150.000 to Swanny in the first place when not many posters on here trusted him, far from it some weren’t going to to any more games so Swanny wouldn’t get another penny from them.Don’t you think that asking for it back was perhaps just a way to put even more pressure on Hilton to clear off?
Edited to add: I’m not saying this is correct, I’m saying it’s possible.
Yes, he didn’t like him wanting the loan repaid.
That was a complex issue, lots of nuance which got lost in the noise.
Awaywego has taken exception to him before, especially regarding the issue with the loan given to pay wages.
I suspect you mean he took issue with Sharp ‘asking Hilton for his money back’ (to put it the simplest way)..?
Apollo – He’s responding to Awaywego.
I know, yeah. I was just speaking generally about what he’d said.
I can also see what Awaywego said about Sharp – but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. It seems to me to be more of a badly put comment on Elliott taking advantage than an accusation of Sharp being thick.
OK I’ll bite.
I’ve spoken to Simon Elliott at length, I’m not now and never was a fan but I’ll leave it there.
Ian Sharp, spoken to him on many occasions, 100% genuine and put his money where his mouth is, I haven’t a bad word for him, he’s United through and through and doesn’t deserve the bad mouthing from certain posters on here that have never met him and wouldn’t have the bottle to say it to his face, if they did he would just laugh at them.
As for Lee Turnbull, yet again there’s those on here bad mouth him but wouldn’t have the bollocks to say it to his face, not that Lee would give a shit anyway.Personally, I’ve never said anything at all about Sharp. In fact, I think he’s a bit of a legend – and his donation of 1899 to the fund Iron Bru set up was a masterstroke, much needed light relief. A highlight of that whole period of time.
I may have missed something, of course, but I’ve also never seen anyone else on here badmouthing him. I imagine most people feel the same about him as I have described earlier in this reply.
I questioned him joining Swanny on the board again when there was no sensible reason for doing so…
I also thought this month-or-so stint back on the board was strange, but perhaps it was a chance to get a look at the books.
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As it is, he is just a bit part of the board and I hope and doubt Michelle is being swayed by him, trusts her own judgement and gives equal thought to input from Roj, Sharp, Akther et al.
I hope she gives way more than equal thought. These others have, after all, put actual money where their mouths are – and, in the case of Akther, provided serious expertise which has proved crucial for the club’s survival.
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There’s no point being so vitriolic about it, but I have less trust in his judgement now.
I’m certainly not being vitriolic, just calling it exactly as I see it as I believe that’s what it merits.
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That’s a very balanced and completely fair view.
Point being, ultimately, that his name was not included in the original publication of the article by The Athletic.
As it wasn’t included, you could reasonably assume that when Michelle was talking to the reporter she did not mention Elliott as part of the list of people who were essential in her takeover – and that she either didn’t mention him deliberately, or didn’t even think of him at all as his input was so inconsequential.
So, you could also reasonably assume that the addition of Elliott’s name several hours after publication was down to a complaint from him.
If he didn’t see through WHAM… then he’s not a good judge of character.
Disregard the Hilton stuff in and of itself, it’s just part of a bigger picture: Ego.
Elliott’s MO has always been to stand next to power, next to money, next to kudos, next to attention… whoever it is… as he’s smart enough to know standing in that spot make others assume he is powerful, monied and important himself.
Anyone else remember the arse-clenching cringe of him getting himself onto the team sheet of the Wembley 1999 side which re-formed for a charity match? One of the lowest moments at GP, imho.
Wasn’t he also a Swann supporter when it suited?
Think back to the ‘Elliott / Sharpe’ thing 18 months or so ago. It was Sharpe with the actual money!
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He certainly wasn’t the only one trying to get his bearings during the nightmare we have gone through.
That’s a bit of a nonsense. He wasn’t trying to get his bearings at all. He knew exactly where he was / wanted to be.
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The iron bar is not fit for purpose, and never has been.
I agree, but rebuilding that is a massive ask for a club with (next to) nothing.
…now is the opportune moment for it, since with a new contract it will be harder to dispense of him if we struggle next season and crowds fully turn.
It would also be costly, and it may be this that swings it really.
Note: However, I actually expect the Board to stand by him for reasons I described elsewhere.
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