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Match practice?
He’s probably seen more of the ball than any other player this season
Watson’s had a run of games before but was absolutely awful. I guess something just must have clicked with him mentally.
All due to Bilson picking up that injury.
Watson’s form is incredible really taking into consideration how dodgy he used to look. I never saw it coming, got to be honest.
Now he’s looking commanding, collecting balls and is decisive now when coming off his line. I don’t quite know how it’s happened but he’s morphed somehow into a “much, much younger” Paul Musselwhite.
Then you have Hippolyte who’s useless out wide, dodgy as a LWB/LB, questionable as an attacking midfielder in the number 10 role but somehow looks comfortable and at home in CM.
Stranger still is how Cox marked Pugh as a RB ?
The man is an absolute maniac. I dare say Pugh looks the DCM which we needed to come in from the off. The way Kenyon looked in those games he played was how Pugh would look if he carried on playing with a severe leg injury.
I hope to god Cox doesn’t piss around with the team again and take Pugh out of that role once Kenyon is fit. I know he’s not far off now.
I’m dreading the day when he’s match fit. Cox changed the team last time we looked like we were starting to turn a corner and fecked everything up.
Pugh and Wilson signed on three year contracts
Pugh we will probably look at doing something with but Wilson can’t even get a sniff. I’d have him on the bench and have him coming on as a second striker to run at teams to bed him in.
I find it absolute madness that he keeps being overlooked.
Wilson will end up being another Joey Dawson.
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Agree his best game but not outstanding. Leave that to Pugh tackling/break up play was superb
I thought he was better than Pugh, albeit in a different role. I thought he ran the midfield with Hackney a more than able back up.
I would have given Hippolyte and 8.5. I thought he was really impressive.
I said last week that Hippolyte, despite being quite a terrible lW and an average LWB is way more suited to CM. Barton thought I was mad when I commented on it a few weeks ago.
If you think back to when we got our last win and looked like we were turning a corner before Cox tore the team up, Hippolyte and Pugh was a big reason for that in midfield.
Superb today…certainly no winger but he strangely looks at home in CM. This is the last place I thought he’d thrive but to be fair to him he looks good in there.
Hackney is starting to bed in now “took him long enough”. Millen who has looked absolutely dreadful so far looks like he’s up to fitness now and put in a really good performance.
Pugh looks a pretty good defensive midfielder as well screening the back 4. Watson had another stormer.
Still think we need to send Wood back, get O’neil out the club on loan and see if we can sign another striker and a left sided player.
All in all though, relieved to get the 3 points and thought we looked pretty good today. Cox nearly self sabotaged though as Hippolyte was running CM with Hackney and taking those two off we lost control of midfield and conceded too much of the ball again towards the end.
Happy though
I’m fully with Wondergoals on this one about somehow convincing Keith Hill to come here. He’s used to working on a limited budget and Will know what it takes to get a side organised and competitive in League 2. I expect his wages demands will be significantly higher than we can afford, but that’s up for Swann to sort out
Spot on. Hill is used to working under tight constraints as he did with Rochdale for years.
I suspect Hill would have been on a fair wedge but he’d be a lot more realistic. I did suggest binning Lillis and Cox off and using both of their wages to fund Hill.
McMahan has more input from the sidelines than both Cox and Lillis anyway by the looks of it so may as well just give him an official dual role as both coach and assistant.
I honestly can’t see Adkins wanting to come here and highly doubt we could even afford him. Adkins would have to travel from Cheshire everyday as well.
I’d loved to be proved wrong but can’t for the life of me see it happening.
Just a guess but Nigel puts 1200 on the gate – Keith Hill puts on 200.
Nigel is the cheaper option.
Nobody is refuting the claim that Adkins would put more on the gates but that won’t change the fact he’ll be on far too much to fit into our current bracket.
I should imagine freeing up the wage for Adkins we’d probably have to get a player off the books or pay off 2 other staff members we don’t need to then fund him. I suspect it would take that and both Lillis and Cox’s wages to get him in.
All I was saying was that Keith Hill would be the more realistic option.
I think he’d be out of our pay bracket. The only reason Cox has had this long is because Swann will most likely be sweating over finding the money to pay both him and Lillis off.
I should think Keith Hill will be more of a realistic option. I’d also use Lillis wage along with Cox’s to get him here and give McMahan a joint role in stepping in to be assistant manager on matchday, which he’s doing now anyway.
McMahan looks to have more of a role on matchdays anyway as Cox just usually is either sat or knelt with his arms crossed not saying a word and same with Lillis.
I’d rather have Adkins don’t get me wrong but he must have been on at least a few thousand surely at Charlton.
I just can’t see it happening. Keith Hill would be ideal…he’s used to working with peanuts as he’s used to always work under tight constraints at Rochdale.
Scrimshaw for me looked quite threatening and takes him off, you could tell the Barrow defenders were worried about him running in behind and yet takes him off.
If that’s Scrimshaw looking “quite threatening”, I wouldn’t like to see him on a bad day. Like an Aldi own brand version of Chris Dagnall.
He’s no world beater by any means and does actually remind me of Dagnall but that doesn’t change the fact he was actually playing pretty well.
I think you’re missing the point.
Never mind.
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I’d go 4/3/1/2
Hallam in the no 10 role behind Scrimshaw and Loft. Pugh just in front of back 4, with Beestin and Hackney “don’t really rate him but nobody else to choose from” in CM. Perry is naughty stepped and I wouldn’t trust Hippolyte in a central midfield 2 with one deeper.
Flat back 4.
My first choice would have been to go 4/4/2 with O’Malley pushed up one to left wing, Wilson on the right with Beestin and Pugh in CM with same two up front but now O’Malley’s injured it’s a definite no go.
I wouldn’t be against 4/3/1/2 with Hallam as the link player though.
All he had to do was go like for like, changing loft with Jarvis and maybe stick Wood on in place of Hackney who was tiring.
Scrimshaw for me looked quite threatening and takes him off, you could tell the Barrow defenders were worried about him running in behind and yet takes him off.
Cox only had to keep it the same tactically and still managed to get it wrong !
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I mean come on, he get’s worse. Cox decides not to play one of the shining lights of pre season in the fear of burnout ?
If we had a sane manager he’d recognize we have poor wide players, see he’s talented and play him until he’s fatigued and then rest him.
Isn’t that more sensible than not playing him at all ?
That’s the worse excuse I’ve ever heard.
The same people behind the gate locking need to sneak into the club and use a similar lock to lock Cox in a back room somewhere.
Only way to prevent him from fecking anything else up.
He is using Cox as a smokescreen
Bang on. I was thinking this was the case, while everybody is fuming Cox is still in a job the less people will be slagging off Swann.
I imagine it will be a mixture of that and him not wanting to dip into the Swann rainy day fund and pay the two idiots off. I remember the match Lillis was in charge of and that was shambolic to say the least.
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idn’t cox say at the shareholders meeting that playing wilson now every game will ruin him he needs to be introduced gradually as he is young and runs the risk of burning out
Runs the risk of burn out, what a load of rubbish.
How many combined minutes has he gotten under Cox this season ?
Wilson is a young, positive enthusiastic player….never heard anything so bloody stupid.
Cox seemingly wasn’t worrying about burnout when he played a staring role in pre season.
So, let me get this right….to prevent potential burnout of a positive young player, you simply don’t play him at all ?
Good idea Neil, never thought of that.
Says it all doesn’t it. Obviously SWANN is happy if we go out the football league.
That’s what it’s currently looking like. Cox clearly can’t even oversee a victory when we’re one nil up and on top against a poor side on the night.
Not sacking him is speaking volumes.
How many more examples of cluelessness does a chairman need to sack a manager ?
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It is sackable because his defensive tactics fail over and over again because the defenders and midfielder are not good at it.
Very few would be at this level playing like that.
What complete utter moron takes their best performing striker off when you’re in control of a match “other team not even really offering a threat” and goes ultra defensive when they’re not even under any pressure to do so giving the opposition all the ball and space to play in ?
All he had to do was keep it the same and just change like for like.
This is how stupid it’s gotten under him now.
Yes, throwing a game away through sheer ineptness is a sackable offence. That was a new low against Barrow. That in some ways was even worse than Harrogate, we were woeful and got pumped in that game but last night we were playing pretty well, in the driving seat but had an idiot manager in charge who through it away of his own accord.
If that wasn’t a further example on way he should be sacked, I don’t know what Swann’s waiting for. Fans are most annoyed over Swann not sacking somebody who everybody knows is no good, everybody can bloody see it.
All last night was in my eyes was a great big useless manager rubber stamp.
Get him gone for crying out loud !
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Swann started getting rid of the more capable players “cutting costs” before covid bloody hit…he’s done it ever since he realised that he couldn’t keep stupidly spending money at a club of this size.
I just wish he knew this before taking the chairman position.
I bet he wouldn’t run his hotel business like he’s run this football.
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Argument by insult is seldom profitable.
No doubt you’re right but in my opinion the time for niceties are long gone. I’m thinking the longer Cox is here the less chance we have of staying up and a result of that is our club will probably fold.
I’m pissed off.
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but seeing what is happening here I can’t see him getting another football club.
Old Swannster has our assets remember, including a rather profitable plot of land, the same plot of land it was rumoured was worth 20million pound “at the time” not saying it’s worth that now.
Yes, that which he signed over to himself for a 12 million debt he himself created out of sheer idiocy.
If we went under and he sold the land for a similar amount for say a supermarket or the like to be built, he pays his 12 million pound bill off he pissed down the drain hole and could pocket 8 million for his rainy day fund.
Do you really think he’d give two craps whether he get’s to be chairman of another football club ?
This is if he’s come here for the land, not saying that’s the case but if it was, he’s played an absolute blinder.
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Thing is people keep mentioning 4/3/3 but we were wining, playing fairly well and Barrow weren’t even in the game. The formation wasn’t the problem, it was the pillock in charge who well and truly cocked it up.
People can moan at the formation but the game was there to be won, we literally had it in the palm of our hands and that complete and utter idiot decided to completely fold.
Mr Negativity strikes again. Cox is doing this type of crap when the game is right there to be won while we’re in a strong position…absolutely ridiculous.
Somebody, anybody put this bloke out of his misery and bin him.
God Above…beyond the joke now
This fool would have even been binned off from a Sunday league side before now. I wouldn’t personally have him overseeing a 5 a side footy match, never mind a football league side.
One thing being tactically inept but to change a game out of absolutely nowhere and throw away a much needed win due to your own stupidity and negative mindset is a whole new level of incompetence.
Again, as I said above….please bin this fool off
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GO COX YOU USELESS SOD FOR THE GOOD OF THE CLUB.
You’re such an inept moron you managed to somehow snatched a draw from the jaws of victory due to your own negative stupidity.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Please if anybody connected to Swann is reading this post, get on your hands and knees and beg Swannster to bin him.
It’s getting beyond the joke now.
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I bet as soon as Cox and Lillis are fired “which I hope is soon” and we sign a half decent manager we’ll start reaping the rewards.
We could even bin off Cox and Lillis and sign Keith Hill for instance with those two’s wages and get Tony McMahan to do his current role plus step in as assistant manager.
Swann keeps saying he’s still fighting for Scunthorpe United but not when that clueless idiot is here. Put Cox out of his misery and get him gone with Lillis, both not worth a carrot between them.
To have a game there in the palm of your hands when you’re playing well and the other team playing poorly and to throw it away through sheer negativity is extracting the urine to whole new levels.
COX WALK AWAY YOU DAFT SOD AND DO THE RIGHT THING !
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As said in this above, the bloody game was there to be won all he had to do was keep Scrimshaw on and keep doing the same. If anything just change either Scrimshaw of Loft for Jarvis and keep with the two up top, it was that fucking simple.
I still stand by what I’ve been saying for weeks, with a clued up manager who has an ounce of an idea we wouldn’t be where we are.
I can’t fathom what he was thinking, we were looking ok and Scrimshaw in particular was giving them something to worry about and Loft was linking up with him fairly well we offered a threat and he takes him off, sticks Wood on and goes ultra defensive.
If this isn’t further evidence he’s fucking useless, I’m not sure what Swann’s wanting because that loss of 2 points is purely Cox’s fault.
This is the most clueless fuckwit we’ve ever had in charge. The game was there to be won, we were playing well offering a threat and yet he still changed it and cocked it up…it was that farcical that we were lucky we even got a point due to his complete ineptness.
Swann needs to boot him out and quick. Richard Hinds was perplexed at what he was doing.
How the hell do you expect people to perform under him when they were playing how they were doing to have your clueless manager cock it all up ?
For feck sake, go Cox and do the right thing you selfish pillock.
Let’s face it…Swann came here with no real business plan, spent recklessly to try and wing a promotion and ever since it’s dawned on him that he couldn’t sustain that silly spending at a club of this size he’s slowly asset stripped us of all the more capable players and has cut cost to such an extent that the club is now hanging by a thread.
That’s what’s happened. Do you really think a chairman with any kind of ambition would have kept a manager as incapable as Cox at his club for this long ?
The answer to that is a resounding no. I don’t care what he says, he’s largely washed his hands of the club as far as I’m concerned.
If Swann’s not willing to sort the embargo out and pump a bit of money in the club to at least give us more of a fighting chance, what’s the point in him even being here ?
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No chance of him arguing with the chairman is there?
Not so sure….is it possible to speak beyond the grave ?
I’d even talk a cardboard cut out of Roger Moore over Cox in all fairness.
Ronnie Moore has been out of the game for years hasn’t he? Not a good idea. Whoever we get (if we get anybody) will have to be desperate for a job IMO.
I’d even take Roger Moore over Cox !
Even the old war horse Ronnie Moore who’s vastly experienced would be ideal…we desperately need somebody with a bit of know how to help us get us out of the crap we’re currently in.
we need a player in the style of Paul Hayes or similar.
I do firmly think that Hallam could be that clever link player we need but he’s never fit long enough to get a run in the side. Scrimshaw did ok on Sat but I’d rather Hallam was up there with Loft for his link up play.
I quite liked Hallam and Loft upfront against Rotherham. If, and this is a big if, Hallam can stay fit and he’s actually played I think he’ll add a fair bit.
I find it odd that that other players who crept off the sick bed started and yet others in the same boat never got a sniff.
Talking about a possible squad rejigging come January. Hackney will be going back in Jan and if we can send Wood back to Hull City and sign an experienced central midfielder and a left winger possibly on loan it will be of great help.
In my wildest dreams if we can keep Turan out on loan and loan out Jarvis and O’Neil get two strikers in, 1 big n nasty and 1 pacey one and bring young Jessop back as the back up 5th striker…we may just stay up.
You can tell on Saturday against Forest Green that we do have a fairly decent 11, no world beaters but they’re better than what they’ve shown.
I believe we are where we are due to Cox being a crap manager and playing the wrong players. I read stats on twitter stating that out of the u21 players in league two Tom Pugh sat 2nd in the table for completed tackles.
Wilson despite showing real ability in pre season I think has disappeared. I bet you that with an experienced manager who knows who to properly structure and organize a side, somebody like a Keith Hill kind of character we’d be showing much more than we are doing.
I find it puzzling how we keeps saying he’s a fighter and he’s not waving the white flag but he’s clearly not good enough and we’re continuing to suffer as a result.
Not being true too yourself and admitting you’re not good enough, clearly delaying the inevitable isn’t big and it isn’t clever.
If Cox sticks around for 2 more matches until he’s fired and we miss out come the end of the season by 3 points, he could be one of the bloody big reasons we go down.
2 weeks could easily make all the difference. In 2 weeks we could get a manager somewhat bedded down and have him closely look at what he’s got to work with while Cox keeps pissing about.
I’m really disappointed in him.
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He may make a good number 2
He’s definitely a nice big number 2, don’t you worry about that.
Way I see it is he had one squad which were more talented than this one and couldn’t get them to play, none of them really listened to him.
A near new squad this time around with players HE’S wanted and again, no structure, no creativity and no real idea. This is the 2nd squad of players he’s had now who seemingly don’t listen and tend to do their own thing.
This can’t be 2 squads of players faults, sorry but I’m not having it.
No doubt in my mind that he’s the worst manager in the history of our club. I thought Wilcox was bad enough but least we were defensively sound if not mind numbingly boring, least the team had some structure to it, even if it was super defensive.
Better performance today but still not great, we had what, a tad over 30% possession at home ?….just not good enough. I hate 3 cb’s with the wing backs because we cough up the ball and it turns to 5 at the back.
No Beestin today as another odd one. Cox hasn’t a clue.
Cox needs binning off A.S.A.P
Cox has gone way down in my estimations. I get he doesn’t want to quit but I thought this club would have meant more to him than his own ego, if he’d be honest to himself he’d admit the fact he’s just not cut out for it.
All he’s doing with not walking is delaying the inevitable which is going to cut us even further adrift.
Cox is being selfish in my opinion..
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