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Yes, I realise that. It’s too complex and Israel might not rest until Hamas is destroyed, and I cannot fault that motivation. With Likud and Netanyahu they might not rest until territorial gain, which would cause me to disagree. It would be a step towards an end at the very least.
I do want a two-state solution. It needs to be peaceful; my own thinking is that long term peace is not possible with Hamas. Many want a ceasefire, and I don’t doubt the motivations of many, but I don’t see how that leads to long-term peace. There was one until October 7th and Hamas say they will continue to fight Israel, so if we have another there will likely be more conflict in the near future with more destruction and misery. Israelis, including the liberals, will argue that is it fair that they have to continue to contend with such extremist groups. I get that Israel has made mistakes and cause issues with Palestinians with some of their own actions, like in the West Bank, but the most optimal solution to other cases of friction between a stronger power and weaker one have had more optimal solutions politically, not through violent resistance. I think this would be more likely to yield a two-state solution than more intifadas and jihad. Similarly, I recognise that Israel needs to elect more moderate politicians to bring this about too, but at least Likud and Netanyahu can be voted out.
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No, and honestly that’s fine. I realise it’s a divisive and complex topic. I reiterate that I understand that the civilian casualties are tragic. I put a lot of blame for that on Hamas because they put Israel in a situation where it was accept hostages are taken and potentially allow an Oct 7th repeat or war, which always leads to civilian casualties. This doesn’t make Israel perfect and I am well aware and feel worried about things like the West Bank actions, comments from Likud members and Netanyahu potentially prolonging the conflict for territorial gains.
I do apologise for reacting. I admittedly get wearied by some comments, but shouldn’t have worded some of the above as I did. My comments on media bias were meant as a comment on what JI said, not as a means to detract from civilian casualties, and I felt the need to defend my comments after 64’s post, since it wasn’t because of civilian casualties being reported. I will reflect and try and not make accusations about things like not commenting on responses to other conflicts when responding to people specifically. That was unfair. Though, I do feel this conflict does get a lot of airtime compared to them in the news and activist circles, and question why. Not like that means we shouldn’t care, but seeing a lot of the protesters and activists take the position of moral arbiters is frustrating when they don’t care about other issues. Even more so when I know some of the people and organisations involved ignore or deny the problems of other conflicts.
Still, that doesn’t mean I should treat others based off Stop the War and co. I do apologise for that.
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Russia started the Ukraine war with an invasion because they were threatened by a Ukraine that was outside of their sphere of influence. Hamas started this war with Israel by breaking the ceasefire. These are not the same thing, so I don’t see any hypocrisy. Not once have I said that the loss of life isn’t tragic. I put a lot of blame on Hamas, because I do not see how Israel can do anything but respond. This is what I have defended. I have also defended us going into WWII and invading Germany to defeat the Nazis, despite the death to civilians it caused through our actions, so sue me.
Also, no, bemoaning rubbish coverage does not say anything about this either way. No matter what, I’d like better coverage than claiming Israel were targeting aid workers when the report it was based on said nothing of the such.
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It might help if you address points made and not just spew straw men. More fool me for wanting news to address what happened, and not make false claims. The funny thing is that you will then claim to be against propaganda.
I do note the world’s most moral people had far less to say on the Syrian civil war, Yemen, Tigray conflict and Myanmar. In fact, many of them were telling me how evil Ukraine’s corrupt when arguing about supporting them or that the chemical attacks and bombardment by Assad and his allies were justified or that chemical attacks were fake news. Stop the War were throwing out Syrians from their silly little meetings during these times because they didn’t just back their narrative.
Many now, of course, using pictures from Syria that they dismissed as ‘fake news’ to claim it’s from the current Israel conflict.
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Great news and shows what can be done when you have a decent owner and board with our interests at heart. No petty excuses about ransom strips and no victim narratives to distract.
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My Boro friend would say Hull and Scunny is southern. You’re lucky we tolerate you. :-) We’re further north than Manchester.
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People from there think anywhere further south than Scotch Corner is the south. :-)
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The good times always seem to coincide with the exact time the person was in their prime or youth. Older people bemoaning that times have changed for the worse is a tale as old as time.
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I care too, but blame Hamas. Maybe I was strong in my reply to you. However I feel undue accusations my way from you too. I don’t see how conflict can be avoided. It is either Israel accept their civilians are open season for Hamas or they do what they can to prevent it again and try and release hostages. Israel can stop the conflict when Hamas refrain from conflict themselves. There will be no ceasefire whole Hamas want to continue conflict themselves.
I have not accused you of posting in support of Hamas. I am just saying that Oct 7 made it impossible for there not to be. Israel cannot allow it so that pogroms and kidnapping is normalised. No nation could. Hamas should have realised such before attacking Israel, but everything they have done is to damage Palestinians in the hope of destroying Israel. US intelligence are now saying Al Shifa hospital is a Hamas base from their own investigations. It’s all tragic, but it was all caused by Hamas. There would be no war without their actions
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