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“appallingly handled”you just can’t admit that Toryism as a philosophy doesn’t work in the modern world, the markets have turned their backs on them ,they know it too.
The markets just cannot be trusted to behave in a socially responsible way.

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As for our unelected rabble? They are an elected rabble chosen from elected representatives in the house.That we elect idiots is our own fault

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Were they rested?

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The point being made EU rules effected our lives,someone above claimed it didn’t

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Semantics,EU laws were controlling us,that’s fact.
That some were good doesn’t negate that fact.

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There you go BPG, you still believe the lies that the EU were controlling our lives. News for you, it’s the British government who do.

The EU have many regulations that control food standards,mechanical standards, air quality, water quality etc etc etc. They protect those standards with huge fines to member nations.
The above is a lie,the EU do control huge areas of every day life in member states.To claim otherwise is about as honest as saying we might spend billions on the NHS with money saved.
I might add, I think there were enough morons voting against the EU as they mixed it up with the EHCR and pro immigration ideas in human right laws that the EU have nothing to do with,they basically thought leaving the EU would mean we can bomb little boats in the channel.
Let’s face it Johnson appealed used racist tropes to appeal to these people and get his vote through and those who still back,sadly majority in blue, still feel that way. hence the anything but free movement EU deal,ironically free movement never encouraged the Muslims and brown people they despise coming,our bombs did
EU laws and EHCR dependence has had an unforeseen effect on the UK . It has exposed our lazy good for nothing Mp’s and politicians for what they are, they wanted this control and can’t handle it.They are all hiding behind party rules that keep them in a job once elected until they are voted out at an election,no wonder we have such shoddy MP’s they don’t have to be any good
Leaving the EU has exposed us to them and the deal done has basically screwed us and left us at the mercy of corrupt bosses ,they even made going on holiday harder ffs

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“Dirty filthy con men and women. Not in my lifetime has a government behaved so abominably,the worse they behave ,the more racist morons love them.”
Acceptable and true.since when did racists being seen as morons not ,be acceptable?
The truth as abuse is an odd concept.
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this wouldn’t be such a high priority news item if Iran bought weapons from us,no doubt slating Iran would be islamophobic if they did

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Race card?? telling words
I stand by it, most people who back Johmson in particualar in my twitter and facebook feeds have appalling records in posting anti-immigrant stuff,they use” race card” a lot too
We have to somehow get away from the footbsll supporter type political following and get some decency back into whitehall and parliament,we don’t want a Trump

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I thought we were attack minded,but sloppy

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Robbed of a promotion by a bad chairman

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Sanfran49, Iron-awe

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The Irony of Russian money filling blue coffers and not red isn’t lost on me

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Needs to shoot

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Anyway ,your party has crashed the economy ,their gods or the market rejected their mini budget.The Bank of England had to bail them out costing people the chance to buy homes and some mortgage owners £500 a year,this happened as soon as that reckless Blue rinser payback budget was dropped.It had nothing to do with world events.Tory dogma sank economy for all to see and gave the next election to Starmer who was struggling to gain support ,one less cynical of him than me would say it’s genius of him .

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” Starmer supported him, along with most Labour MPs, you and the rest of the usual suspects on here.” that’s a lie, Labour MP’s went against the membership and used their Murdoch creds to get the press onside with a smear campaign that outstripped any in history..That’s a fact , proven in numbers of anti Corbyn stories and memes, and amout of MP’s that voted against his leadership bid .So to claim that Starmer backed him is ridiculous. The Tories have surrendered the next election to appease old men and women who haven’t a clue about modern economics and how the world runs now,it’s a form of self harm. I bet labour can’t believe their luck, winning with Starmer in charge is like winning Masterchef with a Pot noodle

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Gurnelista

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Dictators? That’ll Putin funding Boris?
The old pretend the others side are the same argument ,is that all you have?

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Yeah,the paedophile princes ex adviser no doubt.I hate these charisma vacumns and there afflicted hand movements,acted pauses and timed water swigs. Theresa May was pretty weak but she certainly had more class and was less of a national embarrassment than Truss or Johnson.

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I reckon growth is bad,

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Liz Truss plants pie in hope of growing bigger pie

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TwoWrights

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“Anti growth coalition” creating an enemy is easier than being truthful,makes a change from directing us to immigration

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Aye they have plenty to say until you ask who funds them.They should be banned.They are predominantly right wing as its profiteering big business who fund them and its harder to get funding for left wing/good causes

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What is Tufton st for we uninitiated?

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You keep making this accusation with showing no proof.I can only tell you what I do and what action I personally can take.It’s pretty stupid to then suggest I am lying with your track record of accusing people wrongly of saying things and justifying it by saying it’s fair to summise they’d say it due to how you believe they think.

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Think tanks are nothing more thn lobby groups funded by those who’s opinions they espouse.They think what they’re paid to think and pass it off as considered opinion.

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Deerey,don’t you have enough threads dedicated to your row with Bucks without starting on this one too?
Imagine if we have an extra customer base with about 400m people on our doorstep,imagine if we allowed the free movement of goods and services to and from them.would that grow the economy?

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I doubt that happened and was allowed to stand,it it was said it would have been removed and If I’d seen it,I would have asked Matt to ban the account,he may or may not do it.This is an accusation with no proof to back it up ,so its pointless debating to cover up the real topic

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