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You’re definitely being sucked in to making it personal rather than stating your case, Sidey. A pity .. because you’re pretty good at the latter whereas the former diminishes you.

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Ironfromafar … ‘I went away in a tranny van in the mid 80s.’You were certainly way ahead of your time mate. :)

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:) :) Perfect response. Well done that man.

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Apologies to Sidney … a typo… meant ‘Sidey.’

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Now you’ve offended me , Sidney.

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Interesting how some of my choices have triggered such reactions. No response to Bob Seger or The Dualers though so it’s clearly the Christian content that irritates … maybe should be ‘cancelled.’ At least … perhaps unlike at least one poster … I am posting what I genuinely have been listening to as per the invitation.
Anyhow .. how about Godfrey?

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This is rapidly heading for ‘non footie’ if we’re not careful …. But I am more than 90% with Gurney on this. Commercial and economic interests too easily override basic social .. even humanitarian interests… in far too many decisions. The closure or relocation of Post Office branches is another prime example. In Scunny’s case surely staffing the ticket office phone from say 10 – 4 on a Thursday and Friday before a Saturday match would be doable … and might even more than pay for itself in the long run. ( Not 100% agreement, Gurney. First because it’s not just a Tory issue. It’s the tension between commercial/economic interests and social/customer interests which every shade of Govt, Business and football club has to navigate. And where does the reference to ‘minorities’ fit in? When I tried to phone nobody knew that I was an Afro Caribbean lesbian.)

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Have to say, Gurney, that you seem a bit ‘triggered’ by some of my contributions. The clue is in the thread title … an invitation to share what you’re listening to … no genre or content specified. Here’s another which may be a touch more palatable:

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I was really miffed when my normal route of a quick phone call and collection from the corner booth disappeared because of lack of phone response. Sure there are other ways to sort it … my sister can collect for me or I can do the internet thing ( though the first time of asking led to a problem at the turnstile because it couldn’t read my print out!!!) We know there are big staff reductions … but you’d have thought that preserving basic ticket purchase channels was a bit of a no brainier. Maybe it’s not just Peter’s devastation of the Club. Maybe it’s also part of this inhumane societal drive to get everything on the internet even though some of us old uns like human contact and others are not so tekky. One reason you can hardly find a high street bank … and if you do there’s a queue of old folk halfway to the door.

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Glad you’re appreciating SLR, Gurney. Will dig some more out for you from time to time. Meanwhile I suggest you have a listen to the Dualers clip posted above. It could ease some of that intensity.

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Success.

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Fear of God … the beginning of wisdom according to Proverbs.
I’ll try a different one, Deerey …though can’t guarantee a successful posting as this is a bit new and ‘tekky’ for me.

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Funny how of all the terrible and myopic aspects of your string of anti Liverpool posts that have irritated me, Awaywego … it’s the use of an apostrophe in ‘antic’s’ when it’s clearly a simple plural that has really got my goat.

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Apter looked as bright as a button. Fletcher also looked decent to me. So …. let’s see how they settle in. A decent CB and we might still be competitive.

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Trump is not my guy. No wild claims made. The ref to N Y Times was nothing to do with the raid. Hilary disputed the 2016 election even before the outcome and continued to claim unfounded Russian influence even to this day… but no refs from any of you. Why do you throw this stuff out? Because your minds are made up so I have to be unreasoned,a ‘so called Christian’, part of a cult, avoiding engagement though engaged enough to draw all of the above, giving no detail even when examples given,partisan etc etc
In the words of one of my favourite songwriters ..
‘All lies and jest ..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest mmmhmmh …. lie di lie etc

Thanks at least for not turning to outright mockery and viciousness which has been the fate of previous contrarians who we no longer hear from. I guess it could kick in if I outstay my welcome. I am only a ‘casual’ anyway … sitting out Covid so more time on my hands than usual .. so, in the words of Capt Oates, ‘I’m off .. and may be gone some time.’

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Ignoring detail that you don’t like and failing to recognise reasoned discourse because it doesn’t sit with your position. That’s why I can only walk so far with you IA. I also note that the tone changes when Gurney appears … and not only his.
At least my stating a different perspective has brought some kind of vitality to this part of the thread. Happy to have brought some colour into the monotone drabness.

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… I knew it wouldn’t be long.

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Nope. ‘Any serious wrongdoing by a Democrat worthy of investigation would have been done.’Nope. Nope.
I gave several examples. Of course they are just right wing propaganda for you. That’s why I don’t keep pushing. It just becomes a tit for tat schoolyard spat if we go that route. Then the name calling starts.
The head of the FBI being a Republican looks like your clincher… unless he could be bought, or oppose Trump like Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger, or be in that overlap space where ‘moderates’ go with the flow and consensus rather than conviction or principle, or sees Trump as some sort of threat to the autonomy of the FBI or has been misled .. or a variety of reasons. Your world is easier to live in IA because it doesn’t have to see the nuances and allows quick categorisation. If the Republicans take the same approach to delicately balanced and slowly evolved institutions that we are witnessing under the present administration then the game is up in some sense for America with repercussions for all of us. I hope they don’t.

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My conscience is clear. If you reflect on my post you will see that I pointed out imbalance of approach and cited specific examples of this. The only direct reply was Sidey’s reference to that wonderful example of unbiased reporting …The New York Times. The truth on all of this will come out in time … and then we’ll all know to what extent we were misled, biased or partisan. Just because Trump has so many unattractive features does not mean that anyone on the opposing side of the spectrum should receive a free pass just as he should not be subjected to relentless and forensic scrutiny by the DOJ. Justice should be ‘blind’ or everything starts to unravel.

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Happy to have made a contribution guys. No hyperventilating here and as reasonable as ever. I found your collective responses pretty well as predictable as I anticipated .. except the level of insult was far milder than expected so that’s some thing. I am rigorous in trying not to be politically partisan … and sincerely trying is all anyone can do .. but I am not confident that any of you could put hand on heart and say the same.
A word to you Bill since you now seem determined to pursue this ‘theological sniping’. If it’s such a waste of time entering into discourse with ‘the unredeemed’ then why do you come on Bru at all? Surely your time will be better spent exchanging ideas with ‘the elect.’

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Typo … should be Ray Epps.

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I don’t see it like you guys at all. And no .. I am not a redneck, or uneducated, or a fascist or unfamiliar with the US political scene. I think your take is wrong on this. I think this is purely political and driven by the hatred and fear that ‘the Donald’ has engendered in the Washington elite. If the same enthusiasm to investigate across the political spectrum had been consistently applied … if justice was indeed ‘blind’ … then Hunter Bidens laptop and all the implications for the whole family would not have been buried by the FBI over the last two years. Then there’s the deletion of Nancy’s e mails with no repercussions. The refusal to even acknowledge let alone investigate Roy Epps and his cronies for their part on Jan 6th. I could add to the list. Once we redefine democracy as that which supports our ideology then we are indeed on the road to totalitarianism. Once the justice system becomes politicised then no one can sleep easy. Once the Republicans hold the levers again I hope to God that they don’t take the same path but rather restore credibility to the DOJ and to the FBI and other law enforcers.

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Hi Gurney. As usual ..you are mostly wrong in the above. Not completely ..but mostly. And that concludes today’s second Ted Talk.

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I wrote: ‘It begins more by a sense of need and searching for meaning’

Deerey replied:’Appreciate that sentiment JI. Personally I think the meaning is all here, in this world, not some hoped for transcendental realm reached by a leap of faith. And if more people accepted this is all there is, the world might be a better, more peaceful place.’

You nailed it,Deerey. We are at base level at polar opposites on how we see what will make the world a better place. Everything stems from that.

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Just quick responses and and a general comment.
First .. the idea of ‘imposing’ Christian values isnt something that is attractive to me or that you will find in my post,Siderite. Calvin’s Geneva or other mergings of Church and State did not, in my opinion, reflect Gods order. This could potentially open up a deeper discussion on what ‘imposing’ means but ..for now .. I will just point out that I advocated in the above posts for democratically driven decisions and these as locally representational as the constitution makes possible. This would not ,however, stop me from standing up and speaking out on issues where I thought the consensus was wrong. If I lived in Alabama I would be happy that State legislation more reflected my views on the sanctity of life. If I lived in New York I would advocate for changes in the law. Its called by such names as ‘Integrity’ or ‘the courage of your convictions.’ Its also why I believe in freedom of speech and dislike the current move towards ‘cancelling’ dissenting views. (Hence my constant bleating on Bru about not driving dissenters away by mockery, insults and misrepresentation … an unofficial form of cancelling.)
Second .. answering IA and Deerey together .. I do believe that human logic is flawed and broken .. Medics and Scientists would not be my first port of call for Morality( though, happily, many Medics are not advocates of full and free acces to abortion on demand and at any stage of pregnancy) and also that its possible for a human being to be changed and become recalibrated to ‘manufacturers settings’ and so to become ‘in touch’ with the Creator in a way that was impossible before. Its the basic teaching of Christianity … though not taught so much in many Churches … and is the true meaning of being ‘born again.’ It is the only the door to the transcendent realm and enables God to communicate to that individual by what is termed ‘revelation.’ Its actually not anything to do with intelligence. It begins more by a sense of need and searching for meaning.
General comment … I appreciate the tone of your responses above. It has felt worthwhile putting in my sixpennorth.

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Wasn’t avoiding, Deerey. Just had all family here ..some for a fortnight .. so time pressure. Equally .. as I repeat ad nauseam .. I tend to bail out when nasty gibes, mockery and wilful misrepresentations etc start. ( Not pointing fingers at immediately above .. some healthy exchanges recently) Also do the same when I feel that I’m not making a useful contribution.
The key for me in stating that Roe v Wade was an erosion of the constitutional rights of the individual States is the recognition that the US is a mosaic of different cultures and moral expressions and the recent developments have restored the recognition of this on that most emotive topic of abortion. And .. to address IAs challenge … I missed nothing but actually noticed that those locally and democratically elected officals who ran on tickets of pushing back on abortion fulfilled their pledges once Roe v Wade was reversed. Additionally .. it seems to me that our debate also misses another nuance….
If the Kansas electorate has indeed voted to allow abortion up to 22 weeks then this is not in harmony with some of the Blue States of New England where abortion up to birth is accepted.This is not a one size fits all scenario .. as it wouldnt be in the UK. Some people advocate for unconditional abortion up to birth, others see 30 weeks, 22 weeks, 16 weeks, 8 weeks or never as the cut off point. That’s why I make the point about a mosaic of cultures/moralities and the restoration of democracy to individual States. If you believe that its totally a womans right to abort at any stage and/or that any advocate for the unborn is a redneck or Christian bigot then obviously Roe v Wade is more attractive.
I welcome the developments. I believe that Gods heart breaks at the pain that abortion causes in our society and particularly the denial of life opportunity to the conceived but unborn. I recognise the counter arguments on this subject ..but dont accept them. I think you know that. Roe v Wade was an imposition of a particular worldview on a population which has wide ranging views on the subject and the new developments help that to be reflected more locally. Clearly I am hoping and praying, for the good of all, that more and more States will elect officals that take an increasingly restrictive approach on this terrible practice and will also place any such legislation within a context of care and compassion for all affected.

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