Watson Recalled By York ?

[MK Iron]

Speaks volumes about the difference in York’s budget and ours.

We couldn’t afford to fully cover the wages of the York No 3 goalkeeper who had become our No 1.

[Mick West]

Couldn’t afford or thought it was not worth it? We will be fine with Mahady

[MK Iron]

Somewhere between the 2 probably Mick.

[Iron-awe]

We all know what can happen when you exceed your budget on a regular basis, let’s not go down that road again, if York want their player back that’s fine, I’m happy with the Leeds replacement.

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[Awaywego]

Piss poor budgeting, I’m sure you’ll agree that you’ve not left enough in the kitty to have a second goalie on the books halfway through preseason, and to still not have a one more than a third of the way through the season is not good.
In most fans eyes the most important position on the field, a stand alone position.

[Iron-awe]

I believe in most fans eyes the goal keeping cover we have employed so far this season has helped us to second place in the league, way above expectations pre season according to most bookies and football opinion in general.

[cassidystash]

Awaywego wrote:

Piss poor budgeting, I’m sure you’ll agree that you’ve not left enough in the kitty to have a second goalie on the books halfway through preseason, and to still not have a one more than a third of the way through the season is not good. In most fans eyes the most important position on the field, a stand alone position.

Unless my maths is terrible Campbell, Johnson & Mahady adds up to 3.

[WonderGoals]

Johnson is on a part time contract so will essentially be on peanuts. York has done us a favour with recalling Watson. Mahady again played very well and he just happens to have way better distribution and is at least as good or if not a marginally better shot stopper.

This you can chalk down to a happy accident. Down the line we need a solid, stable perm keeper, but if we get Mahady on loan for the rest of the season come January I would be more than happy.

I would rather we took him on a longer loan not too further down the line because if we keep extending month on month, it wouldn’t stop a club simply coming in and taking him on a more perm loan.

York City must think they have been clever by recalling Watson, but have ended up not only saving us money on wages, but have strengthened us. Huge thanks to York City.

Over the moon with York City. Thanks again.

[Deereyme66]

‘Piss poor budgeting, I’m sure you’ll agree that you’ve not left enough in the kitty to have a second goalie on the books halfway through preseasoniss poor budgeting, I’m sure you’ll agree that you’ve not left enough in the kitty to have a second goalie on the books halfway through preseason’

Not only is that factually incorrect, I suspect you’re mistaking Butler saying they weren’t prepared to pay York what they were insisting on to keep Rory with budgeting.

[Deereyme66]

‘if we get Mahady on loan for the rest of the season come January I would be more than happy.’

You’ll be crucifying him within weeks if he doesn’t live up to your high expectations. All part of the modern football fans insistence on instant gratification and perfection.

[WonderGoals]

They essentially moved the goal posts and instead of wanting a small portion of his wages, demanded his full wage attempting to be arse holes.

Mahady wage will be covered by Leeds so we’ve ended up with a better keeper who’s basically playing for free on a Leeds youth loan.

Why should we pay their 3rd keepers full wage ?. Butler was right to them to piss off.

Look at the value we have now.

[Deereyme66]

York haven’t been ‘arse holes’ as you subtly put it. They’ve tried to be canny and it may or may not help their cause. I think the club were right to let him go back given York’s demands mind, and I assume they knew they could extend Mahady’s loan if they did that.

[Deereyme66]

Regardless of people’s views on Watson’s capabilities, it doesn’t excuse some of the worst insults pelted by a few. And no amount of gaslighting I’ve seen on X accusing those who called it out as being ‘Hilton’s Top Boys’ and part of his Cult will hide those follies.

[Awaywego]

No Deerey, I haven’t heard the interview, I will now listen to it.
I’ll stick by my words only Campbell on the books mid preseason and still the only one of today.

[Awaywego]

Is there another interview, the one I listened to there was no mention of York wanting us to fully cover Rory’s wages.

[cassidystash]

Awaywego wrote:

I’ll stick by my words only Campbell on the books mid preseason and still the only one of today.

So let me get this clear, the two keepers who played in our last 2 games don’t exist in your world?

[MK Iron]

Awaywego wrote:

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Radio Humberside interview.

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[Awaywego]

The 3 goalkeepers who played in our last 3 games, I’ll say that again 3 goalies in 3 games Cass, none of who’ve we have or had full control over.
Tis what it is but was highlighted before even preseason started, hopefully when Maison gets fit all will be resolved.

[unity iron]

Campbell is worse than all of them by some margin, Awaywego. You’d think Mahady will become a season long loan and Campbell will be released at the end of the season.

[BigLeftToe]

On what we’ve seen of him so far, Mahady looks the most composed of all the GK’s we’ve seen play for us this season…and by quite some distance too!

Just hoping his one month loan turns into something more long term. GK certainly isn’t a position we want to keep faffing around with.

[Northumbiron]

A goalie who’s come through the ranks of an established Championship/Premier League club is better than one that’s playing non-league football.

Who’d have thought it!

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TheJuryeffsOut

[BigLeftToe]

Using that logic then Eze (who came through the ranks at Chelsea, Derby and Norwich) should be starting every game, no?

[WonderGoals]

Deereyme66 wrote:

You’ll be crucifying him within weeks if he doesn’t live up to your high expectations.

Shown already that he’s way ahead of Watson. No doubt he may make the odd mistake, but he won’t be as error prone as Mr Watson I’m sure.

I’m worried that Butler has only signed him for a month due to him waiting for Campbell to be fit. Butler worryingly stated that Campbell will be back in a month’s time.

If Butler only signs Mahady as a replacement for a keeper that clearly isn’t ready, I won’t be too happy. That’s my big worry. Fingers crossed he either signs him until Jan and signs a perm keeper longer term or signs Mahady on a season long loan I’ll be happy.

No way Butler hangs his hat on Campbell. I bloody hope not anyway.

[TheJuryeffsOut]

The fact is that Butler, under the constraints of his budget, put a squad together to do as well as possible in this league. He prioritised outfield players over paying for an “experienced “ keeper as he had Campbell who is a young lad he believes has some potential and could be a given a chance and be backed up by a slightly more experienced loan keeper – who turned out to be Watson.
The vast majority of supporters could see this and got behind the manager and supported the keepers that put the club shirt on and made the odd mistake (like Mahady will do).
Butler has got a responsibility to support and develop his players, particularly the younger ones still gaining experience and he’s had do that against a background of criticism and whining about the keeper.
I have been shown on X that Matt Ellis posted something on the @SUFC page along the lines of “get Watson out of the club”, this is a podcast presenter and Iron Trust board member ffs !
Butlers original decision over keepers has been proven – we are second.
Circumstances have now provided another young keeper in Mahady. From what I’ve seen his main attribute over the other 2 is confidence but he hasn’t had his clangers in front of 5,000 people yet, maybe he won’t, maybe he’ll make a mistake and just brush it aside and carry on just as well and will go on to bigger and better things. Then we’ll have the advantage of having had him in our team, but I’ll support him whilst he wears our club shirt the same as I did Watson, Campbell and Johnson against Middlesbrough .

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[Sanfran49]

If the money was there I am sure Mr Butler would have recruited accordingly for the keeper position.

I would prefer building with money in the bank and to keep building that security. Just keep the supporters informed as to why decisions are being made and the progress being made.

[Awaywego]

Going back to him being recalled, quite funny really if he didn’t play as much as he did York would have just let him stay here.
Hard to understand the logic behind their decision.

[Siderite]

TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

Butlers original decision over keepers has been proven – we are second.

It went from Watson and Campbell will be a disaster, we could be sucked into a relegation fight because of the goals they concede to he is a disaster, we could be first if not for them.

Watson and Campbell have faults, and there are plenty of better keepers, but what irked me was that the criticism of them went far beyond what was merited. It’s why some thought that there was a tendency to be wanted to be seen as right above all else. A team second in the league, with one of the better goals conceded records, should not have people catastrophising about the goalkeeper.

Constructive criticism, yes, but much of the criticism wasn’t. It was “see, I told you he was crap.” Now we have Mahady and we should, of course, support him, but I hope there isn’t any attempts to use his performances to show how right someone was.

He made some errors in the National League Cup for the Leeds U21s, which would have people going “Watson again” if it was Watson, so he can make errors. This doesn’t make him a poor keeper, nor does it mean he is the definitive answer to all the supposed major faults we had at the back with Watson or Campbell.

[JOHNMMAW]

We have conceded 14 league goals (plus many more in the micky mouse cup) Rochdale have conceded 7, as a matter of interest. So far I have not seen hardly one word said against any of our defenders. Are they not responsible for protecting the keeper??

[SouthYorksIron]

I’m even more confused about this Rule 95 now, having listened to Butler’s post-match interview.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0md4xlr?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Around four minutes in, he explains that Billy Chadwick couldn’t play against either Blackpool or King’s Lynn because York didn’t want him Cup-tied.

The only conclusion I can take from this, assuming Rule 95 exists, is that York City are unaware of it (and Butler too, considering he doesn’t seem to have challenged their reasoning?)

[SouthYorksIron]

Or, of course, York are aware of it and are just messing us around for the sake of it. That seems plausible too, given the Watson situation.

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