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  • #204152
    johnboyj charles
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    Lesgeo, nobody is above critisicm and people who pay to be entertained have a right to their veiws whether you or I like it or not.

    #204153
    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    Unfair on Loft to lump him with some of the duds

    That’s why I used the term “strike force” to cover all four forwards.

    Loft has done okay with others in support like KVV and Eisa when he can be bothered. But none of the other three have contributed anything to our attacking threat.

    The wages of those four combined would surely have enabled us to bring in someone like Jamille Matt or Eoin Doyle if we were serious about firing our way out of this division.

    And yes, those January signings should have been made in the summer. But then Swann was bigging-up Rory Watson and making a dramatic U-turn on Jordan Clarke.

    Oh, and he was also telling us we were getting exciting, attacking football. Yeah, right!

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    mkironMK Iron
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    Sanfran the plan against Crawley was obvious. Judging by the performance it was something along the lines of:

    Full backs you are both decent going forward – so don’t do it.

    Centre backs knock it long or back to Howard so he can knock it longer.

    Midfield – Spence you are playing the best of the 3 so you are on the bench.

    Karajan pass square or back at all times to someone to knock it long.

    Beeston you can pass forward but try to find Crawley players and we can fight for the second ball.

    Gillead if you insist on being an attacking threat I will pull you back into the middle where you can be nearly as effective as Spence would be if I didn’t need him on the bench.

    Green on the rare occasions the ball manages to find you get your head down and run at high speed to the nearest Crawley player and leave the ball for him.

    Loft, we will be knocking it long so for God’s sake don’t try and secure the ball and bring others into play. Instead try and control the ball whilst setting off at high speed to the nearest Crawley player. On the odd occasion you manage to take the ball with you leave it with the Crawley man.

    Eisa – see Green.

    Remember you forward players. I don’t want any of that Guardiola passing to one another bullshit. You know I’m looking at you Gillead. I will bring you straight back into the centre if you do.

    Subs – no need to warm up because you won’t be coming on before the 80th minute no matter how badly we are doing.

    Finally the chairman has a grand on us not having a shot on target. Surprisingly he got 5-1 from Skybet so that should cover Kev’s wages this week.

    If you do as you are told I may allow you to play a couple of passes and maybe even have a shot at Carlisle on Tuesday.

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    #204156
    HeathHeath
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    “How many have stuck the knife into loadsa cracking good forwards when we’ve had them, from Torpey to Novak and from Madden to Forrester?”

    I’m not sticking the knife into Loft, it’s just my opinion that having watched the games this season he is not good enough.

    The 4 you name above were all a long way better than Loft. They all had bad games and loss of form. But I can never remember any of them being “worthy” of a 2 or 3 mark in any game. Loft has on numerous occasions.

    #204158
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Every Loft goal as earned us points.

    #204159
    HeathHeath
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    Fair point. We are 17th in the League. Will be disappointed if we start next season with the same strikers, including Loft.

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    “How many have stuck the knife into loadsa cracking good forwards when we’ve had them, from Torpey to Novak and from Madden to Forrester?”
    I’m not sticking the knife into Loft, it’s just my opinion that having watched the games this season he is not good enough.
    The 4 you name above were all a long way better than Loft. They all had bad games and loss of form. But I can never remember any of them being “worthy” of a 2 or 3 mark in any game. Loft has on numerous occasions.

    Those 4 forwards were all established league footballers when they came here so I think the comparison is a bit unfair. Loft has indeed had some poor games, mainly when he’s been used as a lone striker. I think it’s fair to say that the service to him has been less than satisfactory for most of the season and he’s still learning.

    #204161
    BigLeftToeBigLeftToe
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    Every Loft goal as earned us points.

    Real shame he’s only scored 1 in the last 10 games then isn’t it? Might also help if he could control a football.

    #204166
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Who knows how many he would have scored if Cox had sent the team out with intent. Imo all good teams get the defence sorted first,and I give a big tick to Cox for that,but next year we need to see more attacking play if he is to get the fans onboard.

    #204167
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    Fully agree with you Awaywego. The goalie is OK, the defence has improved, the midfield more solid, but in a lot of matches the attacking play has been woeful. Cox can take a lot of blame, but the forwards are not good enough.

    #204168
    IronaweIronawe
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    Loft has had some decent games, not enough to maintain a league two striking position. His first (and second) touch have deserted him and his decision making when he does control it still has a long way to go

    #204169
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    Loft has some real ability and is a hard worker. He also has a bit of pace and a good physique.

    He doesn’t know how to do the bread and butter front man stuff. He just needs an experienced coach that knows that stuff (Lillis?) and there is Championship level player in there.

    #204170
    mistertonmickmistertonmick
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    Loft is either very good or completely awfu, if it’s the latter you may as well bring him off at halftime.

    #204171
    bartonscorpionbartonscorpion
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    Awaywego—–If playersare not going to be kept on at the end of the season, or going to be offered contracts with the salary being slashed, they do not want tellingthis imfo with ten or twelve games remaining. Uf you were in their position, would you be happy and giving your best, because there are a lot of players that will not bein that group.

    Who in their rightmind would employ a squad of about 35 players and naybe 15 youngsters, this being for a team in League Two, same as being stated on here, a squad of about 20 better class of players rather that 35 with 15 or more not good enough, we are saying that we have players not trying, but are they capable of doing any better, we watch Loft, and he cannot even control a ball. Hippolyte cannot even pass a ball, and Greem only touches a ball for about two mins per game, Turan does not even need a ball, and we have our normal squad of about eight long term or regular injured players in the club, so what chance is there of turning out an entertaining team. Added to this the manager plays a system where we never get above three shot on target in 90 mins, and one up front even against very poor teams, and all we get is “well he did not get a good squad handed to him, Christ he has been here all season and we are playing his style of shite, and it appears to be getting worse, he moans at the team after games, but it is him that is selecting the players, and told to play his pormation, end of story.

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    #204172
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    At the end of the season we will keep many that we have to because of stupid 2yr deals and lose our own who have not had a chance.

    Same failures that fit the ‘attacking’ style we have get in the squad week after week. Then we have others who don’t get a look in !

    High hopes rapidly replaced with low aspirations. And it does not improve. Said previously why are games now important. Worried now ? Wait for next season !!

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    #204173
    lesgeolesgeo
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    Loft works his gonads off. Yes – he has some awful games but the good games are in there too.
    When he has to go searching for the ball – he makes more mistakes than he does on those few occasions when he does get the ball cleanly.
    The why of that baffles me to an extent. (A psychologist could probably explain it.)
    With a season playing alongside a fit KVV, I am convinced that he would have now been a significantly better player.

    The KVV problem is a really big worry. He has played only a handful of games and most of those were ones with him coming back from injury and having to be nursed. The goals have been few.

    I am disinclined to see him offered a contract. Presumably his wages are the highest in the club. (Sadly, I no longer have the sources who used to supply me with those kind of details.)
    For what we pay Kev, might we not get a forward who plays a 6.5/10 most weeks?

    Next season – the big worry is surely going to be the total absence of ‘flair players’.

    As the games have gone by, I have been increasingly less impressed with the Karacan contribution. It is very hard to say whether or not this is because of the roles he has been given by the manager.

    A side surely needs 4 flair players who can cement a place in the team if we are to challenge. How do we attract such when paying low wages?

    I have zero optimism for next season. The sides we put out are surely going to be poorer than the one which has been relegation-threatened for much of this season.

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    #204174
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    bartonscorpion wrote:-
    “If playersare not going to be kept on at the end of the season, or going to be offered contracts with the salary being slashed, they do not want tellingthis imfo with ten or twelve games remaining. Uf you were in their position, would you be happy and giving your best, because there are a lot of players that will not bein that group.”

    Looking at it another way barton, if players know they won’t be getting a new contract here, wouldn’t you think they’d be busting a gut to impress somebody else? The alternative is an end to their pro football career, I know which choice I’d make.

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    #204175
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    That assumes a level of understanding that maybe their agents don’t possess

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    #204178
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    I think the agents are a lot brighter than you think Alcy. Anybody who earns a living convincing clubs like ours to sign some of the players we have is a a lot sharper than the ones dishing out the contracts!!

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    #204179
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    “Loft works his gonads off. Yes – he has some awful games but the good games are in there too”.

    Exactly my point – not the type of player we need to achieve a higher finish next year. 22nd in the division’s top scorers list.

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    Van Veen’s best ever season is 10 goals. That would put him 17th in the current list. He would drop even lower than that as the players above have many more matches to play in the current season.

    If we start next season with the same strikers we will finish bottom half again.

    Mullin at Cambridge has 27.

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    #204182
    IronaweIronawe
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    Pace
    Energy
    Excitement

    words from the chairman which equate to our worst (in attacking terms) season in memory.

    I guess the acronym for above sums it up

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    #204183
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Loft, KDT and Jarvis contracted for next season. KVV, Olomola and Mooney OOC. So we start with 1 inconsistent, 1 apparently useless and 1 still an unknown quantity. Might be a good place to begin the recruitment.
    Before this season Mullin had never reached double figures, doesn’t pay to write players off too early.

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    IronaweIronawe
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    I think Loft could work with another frontman and KVV sitting behind the front two and then three across the midfield, four at the back. But cannot see it happening

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    I think the agents are a lot brighter than you think Alcy. Anybody who earns a living convincing clubs like ours to sign some of the players we have is a a lot sharper than the ones dishing out the contracts!!

    And there, in one sentence, is the elephant in the room.

    #204203
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    Could it be that Loft is not particularly good by normal standards but still stands out as a beacon in the current team?

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    HeathHeath
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    A dim beacon if we are pinning our hopes for next season on a main striker with 8 goals this year.

    #204208
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    It can happen that players don’t score many goals until the rest of the team clicks. It can also be that they don’t score many goals because they’re no good.

    I think Loft has done enough to offer some hope but equally I wouldn’t be too sorry if he didn’t stay.

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