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Campbell might be injured as he didn’t have his training kit on. No idea why Fitz didn’t play though.

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Appreciate Kelly yet to appear and Denton and Barrows (who I assume will be first choice) may get better with practice but I think goals might be hard to come by if those 2 are our wide attacking threats.

I think Scales will be first choice for the RWB position and probably Denton for the left, but Law has done well so far and obviously offers more going forward than Denton. I wouldn’t be too surprised if Law started and we had him and Scales on either side. I should think Denton would be ahead of him though.

Ross as back up to Scales plus he can play at CB. LWB we have Denton, Kelly and Law. I can’t see Kelly suiting that role personally as he wasn’t the most expansive LB to begin with.

I agree with cassidy on the striker positions, carlton and whitehall will be first choice. Fishburn looks a more than handy targetman option and Beestin when he’s played up there has played in a no 10 link role and has looked good.

Best we could hope for is a promising youngster but even then they would be bench warming as carlton and whitehall will be starting most weeks when fit. I still personally think we need a midfield spoiler for balance, if we lose Clunan we’re screwed as he’s the only real defensive midfielder we have.

Beestin will be a striker and Scales will be wing back so leaves us with 5 in total and 4 are either box to box or attacking mid players.

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I still think we need a midfield destroyer/spoiler. Apart from Clunan who’s not overly physical anyway, who have we got in that bracket ?

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No Evans, No Whitehall, No scales and had Brogan playing wing back. That trialist CM was supposed to have been pretty poor as well which wouldn’t have helped.

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Braithwaite didn’t do well from what I read earlier. I saw some good things written about Fishburn and was supposed to have been much better which is a relief. What I’ve seen of him up to now, he hadn’t look that great.

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last night Roberts was playing more central

Of course Roberts was playing centrally in that system. Only two positions he can play in that formation is a an attacking central midfielder or off a main striker, both which are central.

You don’t need to be any footballing genius to expect Butler to field that formation when he’s set up with it in every pre season game so far. I mean come on Mick, let’s be serious here.

Butler signing another CB hints towards that as well.

There’s a chance he could do a complete u-turn and field a different system, but it’s highly unlikely.

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Left side central defender or full back, Kelly can cover at right back, then there are injuries and suspensions and you need a subs bench, so everyone will be needed Burny

We’ll be playing with wing backs and he wasn’t even an attacking full back so highly doubt he’ll suit playing as a wing back. Especially not right wing back and we have Barrows and scales as options there.

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Beestin will definitely be used as a striker so we’ll be fine up there. Law and scales will be used as wing backs. I can’t see where Kelly fits in as we have Denton.

Why do we need 3 left wing backs ?

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Nicholson is a left sided CB/ LB. Nicholson said yesterday that Butler has brought him in as a left sided CB. We’ll definitely be playing with 3 CB’s with wing backs as we’ve played that formation throughout all the pre season games.

If we do switch up formation throughout the season though it still only leaves us with Law, Roberts as genuine wide options. Carlton played there last season but is more of a striker. That’s why I’m surprised we didn’t sign Burden as he wouldn’t have been on much and can play all across the front line.

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Scales’ injury sounded a nasty one, don’t want many more with the size of the squad.

Has a swelling where a cut is which requires a stitch or two where a stud pierced his skin. Butler expects him to be out for a week as there is no fracture or break.

Butler also said that’s us done now in terms of signings as the squad has reached 20 players. I find it a bit odd though because Abraham is still here on trial and came on for last 30mins. Going by that Burden and Hunter must have simply gone elsewhere.

Shame really as Burden looked promising.

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Looked a good player so far. Good range of passing and he looks neat and tidy. A little off topic, but I have a feeling Brogan will end up scoring more than Butterfield did last season.

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Abraham, Burden and Rowley have featured in all the games so far, But Hunter was missing last game so not sure if he either picked up an injury or that he decided to move on. Club haven’t said a word. I still think we need a midfield spoiler.

Rowley has looked good so far. Burden and Abraham look good young players. I’ve just remembered Keenan Ferguson who played first game with us who’s done a lord lucan, again the club have said nothing.

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ironfromafar wrote:

Tad surprised at the lack of recruitment action

Has been hinted that next signing will be coming from trialists. Is Butler wanting to see more of them or are we currently working on deals with them ?

If that is indeed the case, we need to get a bloody move on.

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mistertonmick wrote:

Ravenhill as gone to Buxton

I first read that as Burton and thought fair do’s league club good luck to him but Buxton?!

Cannot have thought much of him and no deal on the table.

Butler wanted to see him in pre season games whereas Buxton signed him from the off. The guaranteed contract is why he moved on, not because we didn’t want him.

I don’t blame Butler as he was out most of last season injured.

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I have since looked at the Winterton picture gallery on the official site and Abraham is definitely there so he must have come on 2nd half. No sign of Hunter.

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According the the match feed updates on twitter Abraham came on in the 64th minute. I didn’t go so not sure if that was the case or that somebody had made an an error while reporting.

Definitely no Hunter though. Be a shame if he already moved on, I was hoping we would be in with a chance of signing him. This is where I still think the club slips up with it’s poor communication.

Why not just interview Butler post match and put it up on the official site with his thoughts on the performance and info on trialist players?

This is one thing the club needs to improve on as it’s been the same now for years.

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No Hunter today so whether he’s picked up an injury or has moved on is anybody’s guess.

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“as the reality of our financial predicament has started to bite!”

A ball hasn’t been kicked yet so I don’t get why your already have it in your own head that the squad is weaker. We still haven’t finished strengthening the squad yet. If we were to sign Rowley and Hunter have 2 players who have performed well at much higher levels than we’re currently at.

Putting that to one side, a huge part of the debt I believe will be paid up by the time this season comes around. The Iron Aid/open day will rake in an absolute fortune and all that will be going back to the club. All the catering now is in house.

Michelle did say she would be looking to clear the debt before the season starts and firmly believe that to be the case. Not doubt we have no Butterfield type marquee signing but that’s not to say we’re hugely weaker by any means.

I’ve been extremely suspicious of iron414 from the 1st day he/she posted. All you’ve done is bash the club post in post out, bit of a questionable mindset of a supposed fan.

Is there anybody at the club you haven’t had an go at ?

I confused as to what your game is because it doesn’t add up.

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Iron414 wrote:

would come from the trialists plus a few loans

Spot on. Butler hinted that was case too. I wouldn’t disappointed if we signed our two ex youth players who wouldn’t cost a lot, along with Hunter and Rowley who both looked very good.

Rowley can play in a few different positions as is the same with Hunter. Burden can play all across the front line and Abraham looks a capable young CB which we’re going to need if we set up with 3 CB’s.

Butler maybe wants to see them a few more times to be fully sure before pulling the trigger.

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Sanfran49 wrote:

Abraham & Burden would have come through the academy so I do not see what we have wasted. Other trialists will get a chance.

Both look really good youngsters. Abraham looked solid and Burden I was pretty impressed with and looks to have improved having been trained by better coaches at Coventry. Featured a lot for their u21’s and did fairly well for them. Took his chance well and looks a good finisher.

Good to have them both back.

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ironfromafar wrote:

Will Wondergoals be hoisting the main sail on HMS piss the league again this year , after last seasons titanticesk voyage im guessing a more realistic evaluation of the Irons chances.

I think we’ll do well this season for what it’s worth. No clueless Jimmy Dean and a more fitter team. I obviously haven’t got a crystal ball, but I firmly believe that if we had a fitter team last year with a more clued up manager we would have gone up.

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Cliff, Roberts would work in a 3/5/2 as the more advanced central midfielder of the 3. I thought he looked good there last season when played. Clunnan would have to be in there with either Brogan or Beestin, if Beestin isn’t up top.

if we do play this 352 formation we don’t really need Kelly/Law any more. Denton will end up being first choice and we wouldn’t need 3 who can play in that one position. Advantage of keeping Law is that if we do change formations he could play on the wing off the bench. The downside is, as we all know…he’s injury prone.

In my opinion Denton and Barrows would be perfect as wing backs. Barrows played further up the pitch during his last loan spell and Denton likes to bomb forward and has good energy. Scales would do well there and Law you would have thought would do well with due to having the safety net of 3 CB’s behind them.

Kelly I don’t think would be suited to play as a wing back. Whenever I’ve seen him he looks an out and out fullback and isn’t that great going forward. Put it this way, he’s not the most attacking full back that I’ve ever seen.

Abraham did pretty well, but due to him not having to do much I didn’t mention him. Looks to have something though and is only young at 18yrs old.

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Awaywego wrote:

Anyone know who this Abraham is

Finn Abraham, young CB who was an ex youth player who then moved on to the Cods when the youth team was scrapped. 18yr old right footed CB.

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3/5/2 formation with Law and Scales as wing backs. Possibly suggests we won’t be be paying with out and out wingers. Butler did say though that he’d be trying other things out so we’ll have to see.

Hunter and Rowley impressed and our ex youth player Burden looked promising. The two defenders on trial didn’t have to do much due to who we were playing so who knows when it comes to those two.

Kelly had a very slight thigh strain and Denton is a week behind the other players so we’re being careful with him. Denton is due to feature against Gainsborough.

Interesting in regards to Beestin, but I remember him saying his favoured position was upfront 2 or 3 seasons back so hardly a surprise and could prove to be a good link up top.

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This is before a ball has even been kicked. Iron414, shall we not bother with this season then ?

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This forum has always been full of old whining sods.

Looks, let’s be serious…you can’t have it both ways. You can’t become sustainable and cost cut and yet sign marquee players like Butterfield. Expecting us to do that is plain stupid.

I will however say it’s crazy to even say this team is poorer than last season when a ball hasn’t even been kicked. These players don’t look as good on paper, but let’s wait a while first until coming to the conclusion that we’re worse than last season.

The very same people who were moaning we were spending too much money who kept droning on about us not being sustainably run are the same old miserable whining pillocks, who are now moaning that we’re cost cutting and the standard of players we’re signing aren’t comparable with last season.

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I only ask as my Spanish club are limited to a squad of

lol This is definitely a parody account. I’ll play along Rene, who’s your Spanish Club of choice, Barcelona, Real Madrid,, Atletico ?

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Iron414 wrote:

WG yes you are missing something. Your marbles if you think we have a better squad without the aforementioned and with the addition of the nobody’s we’ve signed so far.

The mere fact you keep choosing not to confront the fact last seasons team kept being out fought and out run by part time players is blinkered to say the least.

How the hell can any sane person keep harping on about a team which lacked fight and only came from behind twice from losing positions all season ?

You have to be a wind up merchant. No way in a million years that you’re being serious. Butterfield was the only mainstay out of those players you listed and he faded badly.

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CMC wrote:

WG if you are trying to tell me that you think we’re a better football team without Ogle, Butterfield, Elliott and DSF you must have been hitting the hard stuff again.

Regarding the departing players.. Ogle was good, not great. Elliot didn’t feature all that often. Sembie Ferris only contributed towards the back end of the season when coming back from his loan and then you have your hero Butterfield, who was way less effective towards the 2nd half of last season.

We failed to gain promotion last season, we at times lacked fight and energy. I think we only came back from a losing position twice all last season.

If last seasons team was that good, why were we often out run and out fought by part time players with much less ability ?

Ok being technically fantastic, but our team last season lacked energy and running power. The balance between technical ability and energy and athleticism needed to be addressed from last season.

Will be fully addressed this coming season ?. We will have to see, but Butler’s going the right way about it during pre season training

You confuse me iron414 because you keep harping on about last seasons players but as I said above, it wasn’t right last season. How can you keep banging on about last season’s team when we came back from a losing position twice and we kept being out worked by part time players ?

Am I missing something here ?

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Deereyme66 wrote:

If it’s not quite as pretty but we’re digging in, players are putting shifts in and challenging for promotion; thats what people want, not hanging on for a Butterfield worldie.

Perfectly put.

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