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This forum has always been full of old whining sods.

Looks, let’s be serious…you can’t have it both ways. You can’t become sustainable and cost cut and yet sign marquee players like Butterfield. Expecting us to do that is plain stupid.

I will however say it’s crazy to even say this team is poorer than last season when a ball hasn’t even been kicked. These players don’t look as good on paper, but let’s wait a while first until coming to the conclusion that we’re worse than last season.

The very same people who were moaning we were spending too much money who kept droning on about us not being sustainably run are the same old miserable whining pillocks, who are now moaning that we’re cost cutting and the standard of players we’re signing aren’t comparable with last season.

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I only ask as my Spanish club are limited to a squad of

lol This is definitely a parody account. I’ll play along Rene, who’s your Spanish Club of choice, Barcelona, Real Madrid,, Atletico ?

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Iron414 wrote:

WG yes you are missing something. Your marbles if you think we have a better squad without the aforementioned and with the addition of the nobody’s we’ve signed so far.

The mere fact you keep choosing not to confront the fact last seasons team kept being out fought and out run by part time players is blinkered to say the least.

How the hell can any sane person keep harping on about a team which lacked fight and only came from behind twice from losing positions all season ?

You have to be a wind up merchant. No way in a million years that you’re being serious. Butterfield was the only mainstay out of those players you listed and he faded badly.

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WG if you are trying to tell me that you think we’re a better football team without Ogle, Butterfield, Elliott and DSF you must have been hitting the hard stuff again.

Regarding the departing players.. Ogle was good, not great. Elliot didn’t feature all that often. Sembie Ferris only contributed towards the back end of the season when coming back from his loan and then you have your hero Butterfield, who was way less effective towards the 2nd half of last season.

We failed to gain promotion last season, we at times lacked fight and energy. I think we only came back from a losing position twice all last season.

If last seasons team was that good, why were we often out run and out fought by part time players with much less ability ?

Ok being technically fantastic, but our team last season lacked energy and running power. The balance between technical ability and energy and athleticism needed to be addressed from last season.

Will be fully addressed this coming season ?. We will have to see, but Butler’s going the right way about it during pre season training

You confuse me iron414 because you keep harping on about last seasons players but as I said above, it wasn’t right last season. How can you keep banging on about last season’s team when we came back from a losing position twice and we kept being out worked by part time players ?

Am I missing something here ?

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Deereyme66 wrote:

If it’s not quite as pretty but we’re digging in, players are putting shifts in and challenging for promotion; thats what people want, not hanging on for a Butterfield worldie.

Perfectly put.

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Iron414 wrote:

But if we’re losing whilst playing unattractive football the gates will inevitably take a hit wiping out any benefit of cost cutting.

Who said we’re going to play unattractive football whilst losing a lot of games?. Who’s to say we won’t win a lot of games and play good football whilst doing it ?

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Even when we weren’t playing well there was always the possibility of Butterfield scoring a 30 yard screamer

Up until Christmas no doubt he was fantastic, but he started to slow down was countered by much worse players who were more physical and had more energy. At times he was a luxury player.

You’re comparing us to last season but we were after too nice to play against and lacked fight and energy. The mentality/fitness levels and fight were lacking at times last season which culminated in us being out ran and out fought by part time players.

How many times did we come back last season from a losing position, was it just on the two occasions ?

I’d much rather take a less “pretty team” in a footballing sense and swop that for a more solid, hardworking one which is going to dig in more but who can also play a bit.

Tamworth last season were dreadful, they were very well drilled, fit and apart from 2 maybe 3 standout players they were fairly poor and yet they romped the league.

What does that tell you iron414 ?

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Butterfield will be a miss but as mention above, he was quickly nullified by way less talented players with more energy. Ogle was solid but his final ball into the box was awful and defending at times wasn’t great to say the least.

I suspect Butler and Schofield will have more nous then Jimmy, who reminded me of a low league Southgate. Butler has already said we’re to play with two up top which is better right from the off.

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ironfromafar wrote:

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SST wrote:

Liam Ravenhill (ex Donny)
Ash Hunter (ex Fleetwood)
Keenan Ferguson (ex Spennymoor)

Any idea who the others are ?

You crease me up WGs .. previously stating about my scrapping the bottom of the barell and the nthis shower turn up for a run and accessment.. sorry shudnt post when pist but really gents this is pub league ..

Well you have two choices, you either choose to watch us or you don’t, really..it’s that simple. If you feel that the quality level will be too low for you to handle then simply don’t bother.

Your choice.

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SST wrote:

Liam Ravenhill (ex Donny)
Ash Hunter (ex Fleetwood)
Keenan Ferguson (ex Spennymoor)

Any idea who the others are ?

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mistertonmick wrote:

I thought you knew everything Burny, we rely on you for your expert knowledge

You clearly thought wrong then. Senile ?

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Looked fairly good in the few games he played, it’s a sensible signing.

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We were definitely told they would be announced today, so we’ll have to wait and see. After the GK has signed we’re still a RB and two wide players short but were told told they would be signing from trialist players, so lets hope they are of a good standard.

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Read it again. Arnold RB and Walker LB. Hardly ideal as there is no natural LB with Shaw not yet match fit. Southgate at his finest. Kane needs to play as he’s a goal scorer. I just think playing Kane in an attacking midfield role behind Watkins makes sense as he drops back to that position when playing upfront anyway.

Least playing Kane there we end up with a striker up front. I’d leave Foden out personally and play Kane. Gordon and Palmer need to be starting too.

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Should have got Guy Ipoua and Gandhi to take part.

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Harry kane’s play style is that of a false 9, so why doesn’t Southgate just play him as an attacking midfielder behind Watkins so it leaves him to play his natural game while also having an actual striker up front ?. Stick Palmer on the right with Gordon on the left and play Bellingham next to Rice/Mainoo.

Dump Trippier and play Arnold at RB and Walker at LB.

I still can’t understand why Southgate didn’t play Mitchell more and have him bedded in knowing Shaw is held together with duct tape. Mitchell played well all season for Palace and is a natural LB after all.

Southgate’s decisions are poor to say the least.

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If they’re deemed worthy of a starting spot then why are they coming in on trial as opposed to being signed immediately?

Of course we’ve picked out players who are deemed good enough for a first team slot. I’d rather that than just get any old player here. All we’re doing is running the rule over players who Turnbull and co THINK will be good enough for the first team, but obviously want to know more about them first.

Is that not what inviting trialist players is all about ?

Clubs up and down the country for the most part have been doing that very same thing for years, have they not ?

Also for the fans moaning about us taking old players on trial, Turnbull has said countless times and again the other day that we’re looking for young energetic players as we already have experience at the club.

There will be no players coming here on trial looking for a last pay day. Calm down !

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Give it a rest. Gk to come in shortly and it sounds like the RB, and two wide players will come in via trialist players. There are loads and loads of good players who have been released.

We have targeted 5 players who are coming in as trialists who are all deemed worthy/good enough of a first team spot, so they must be of a certain standard.

Plus we’ll have money left for the loan market. CB we’re set, as we are at LB and up front. Only really RB, out wide and maybe a genuine big athletic defensive midfielder short of having a good squad.

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I hope they come out the other side, but can’t for the life of me believe they’re going to get the needed £1.5 mill.

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Southgate from what I read the other day is the best paid manager who rakes in close to 5 million a year.

The FA board who make the decisions need stringing up.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

How do you come to the conclusion Carlton is a better player despite never seeing him play and him having a worse goal scoring record than Elliott?

Been on that pipe again

Minute to goal ratio when taking into consideration the chances he had, Butler said he was the best finisher in the league last season. Putting all that to one side he was playing on the wing and also set up a lot of goals. How many assists did he have to his name, was it 10 or 12, I can’t remember.

Elliot will score a bagful, he’s in the league below us remember.

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Carlton is better than Elliot. Whitehall is better than elliot and we’ve signed a young up and coming targetman. A targetman we desperately needed.

Butterfield will be the bigger miss, but once he started to slow down he was ineffective in the second half of last season. Butterfield became a luxury player towards the end. There’s a reason we never usually came back after going behind.

I liked Butterfield a lot and technically was the best player hands down in this league, but that was counted by much worse players who had more energy who got around the pitch better.

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Harry Kane annoys me the most. Southgate should grow a pair and tell him to stop roaming when we’re under the cosh and stick up top. How many times do we have the ball looking to clear and he’s NEVER actually up front to hit ?

The same thing has been happening for years. Good enough first half, but once Serbia upped it we reverted back to Southgate’s number one tactic of “trying not to lose/draw” instead of actually going out and trying to score more, same situation with with Harry Kane…this has been happening for years.

Southgate should have been dumped years ago. Klopp I doubt would want the job, but if I was the FA I’d be paying him a fortune and try to talk him around to the idea.

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The way people are talking we may as well chalk this season off before a ball is even kicked !

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Butler may opt to play 3 central midfielders. I find it odd that he’s described as box to box even though we need a midfield spoiler.

MK Iron wrote:

We should prepare for the keeper and right back to be more Lidl and Aldi than M&S or Waitrose.

That was always going to be the case. Fitzy and Barrows will be first choice so we’re not realistically going to sign top end well known players when they won’t be classed as first team starters. In my opinion it makes no sense.

The same people who were slagging the club off for spending too much are now the very same people who are moaning about the quality of squad players.

You can’t win with some people. If we were to sign top end players at this level for non 1st team places then we would be no better off and would end up spending the same amount of money than we did last season.

It’s the wide players that we need to be spending the money on. Law and Roberts are held together with duct tape. I’d be surprised if either of them played more than 20 games a piece.

I’d be happy with a youngish promising GK as back up and a hardworking, solid RB.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Lol, Bad Apple?! And he accuses others of being idiotic and ‘on crack’.

If anybody knew Badapple then you wouldn’t be stupid enough just to think he would leave the forum and not have other accounts he posts on. Badapple had a track record of such behaviour.

It wouldn’t even surprise me if he currently had more than one.

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ironfromafar wrote:

As far as signings go i just dont feel overly enthused by this one

Whitehall and Carlton will be first choice. Who did you expect we would sign as a back up option ?

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Perfect signing really. We needed a different rotational option up top. Billed as more of a targetman who’s supposed to be fairly strong from what I read and stands at nearly 6ft2, so he’s a decent size.

We were never going to sign another top striker when we have Whitehall and Carlton here who will be first choice. This signing makes sense, as he’s young and eager to impress and we needed a targetman type striker who’s capable of holding the ball up anyway.

A gk, Few wingers, RB and an out and out central midfield scrapper. I think we’ll be just about there.

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Ferrite wrote:

Is that for the Iron Bar WG? Or the bar under the Clugston stand?

The new equipment is for the cellar and bar area within the Iron Bar. I do however recalling Michelle stating that the new head of catering will be bringing new equipment for the catering points.

This new head of hospitality/catering is the real deal and did a stellar job at Hull Kr. This is all in very capable hands. Drinks are top be improved, along with the food offerings. Another Scunthorpe based firm called Cookie People have signed a deal with us to sell their products on matchdays.

Things are coming together nicely.

The ground is looking very fresh, The catering side of things is to be drastically improved upon and we’re to get solar panelling fitted in around a months time which is going to lessen the electric bills.

How the hell has this all happened this quickly from where we were ?

Crazy really when you think about it it.

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cleveland was hilarious. I remember in one home game he ran that quick he forgot to take the ball with him, but a matter of seconds later he ran from the half way line, taking on 4 or 4 players and sticking it in the top corner.

So exciting to watch because you never knew what you were going to get.

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Awaywego wrote:

What we need imo is more Mrs Butterfield’s to get it out there.

Badpple, you can stop attempting to wind people up now. She’s another who isn’t exactly honest . Implying the club didn’t want him, but forgot to mention the 3 contract offers, with one being a player coach role ?

Devastated she’s not still around !

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