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Good to know that the Duke is getting to talk to a wide cross section of premier league footballers about this issue that only affects them.

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The supposed benefit was sunk in your own post:

“Germany has announced it’s own support package”!!!!

We had our own currency, and a range of other opt outs negotiated by the fossil fuel killer herself, Mrs T.

Must try harder Bucks, we will soon be on page 5.

You will be claiming that the right to pump uncontrolled sewage into our rivers and coastal areas is a benefit next.

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Page 4 and still not a single benefit.

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I’ll give you the topic back with her additions to the proposed public order bill.

“Rather worryingly, the Home Secretary Suella Braverman added a last minute amendment to the bill which will allow her to apply for injunctions against anyone she deems ‘likely’ to carry out protests that could cause ‘serious disruption’ to ‘key national infrastructure’, prevent access to ‘essential’ goods or services, or have a ‘serious adverse effect on public safety’. What this is clearly designed to do is stop protests before they’ve even happened. So much for the Tory mantra of being the party of ‘liberty’.”

“The bill defines illegal protest as acts causing “serious disruption to two or more individuals, or to an organisation”. “Serious disruption” has been taken to include noise, meaning that in effect it can be used to shut down any protest”.

One of the most sinister aspects of the bill are the ‘serious disruption prevention orders’(SDPO), which can be imposed on people who have participated in at least 2 protests within a 5 year period. Crucially, they can be imposed on an individual irrespective of whether or not they have been convicted of an offence and can be served with a two-year order forbidding them from attending further protests.

As George Monbiot writes in the Guardian: “Like prisoners on probation, they may be required to report to “a particular person at a particular place at … particular times on particular days”, “to remain at a particular place for particular periods” and to submit to wearing an electronic tag. They may not associate “with particular persons”, enter “particular areas” or use the internet to encourage other people to protest. If you break these terms, you face up to 51 weeks in prison. So much for “civilised” and “democratic”.

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As for Braverman, she’s showing herself to be more useless and dangerous than Ms Patel and on a par, if that’s possible, with Truss.

Ironic that, as a lawyer, she used to defend asylum seekers. She would call herself a lefty lawyer.

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“All you lot can do is snipe and attack me while failing to demonstrate any understanding of the real problem”.

Yeah right. Isn’t it amazing that you are the only one on here who understands the real problem?

Life must be real tough for you having to mix with people who never understand the real problem.

Having read the thread I find it amazing that you are the only one who doesn’t understand what the thread is about.

Life must be real tough for you not understanding what everyone else is talking about.

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TwoWrights

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A helicopter for a 20 mile trip!!

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THe whole shebang!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/02/rishi-sunak-to-ditch-key-tory-leadership-campaign-pledges?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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He also entered reverse on fines for missing NHS appointment.

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Extended windfall tax, Braverman, triple lock, universal credit rise, Rwanda etc.

Plenty more u-turns to come from Tory boy.

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Shocked to read that Bucks isn’t an international expert on washing machine tariffs.

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TwoWrights

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Are you also concerned about the right to strike and protest?

If not, you should be.

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“the young use to move into a council house and work up the ladder- this is a thing of the past due to uncontrolled immigration..”

I would blame that well known neo-marxist Mrs Thatcher!!

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Deereyme66, TwoWrights, Iron-awe, Northumbiron

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“It would appear that if the UK were still an EU member the Government would not have been able to support consumers, which would have been an incredibly tough position for millions of people”.

Appear to who? Hilarious that you are spreading all these EU scare stories, but there are still German cars in our showrooms.

Project Fear in reverse.

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The extent of his criticism is his meaningless statement that they are all as bad as each other.

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“I’m very clear about not agreeing with or supporting a lot of what the Tories do”.

You supported Truss though didn’t you? Says a lot about your judgement and political savvy. Took Sunak less than a minute to reverse the fracking nonsense you supported.

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Pointless trying to have a debate when you can’t come up with a single proven benefit!!!

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She was and is the effing Home Secretary and should be judged to a higher standard than any employee.

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Not very Cleverley failed miserably to identify any similar situation or job in the private or public sector where an employee or director would get their job back 1 week after breaking company rules.

Sorry is not and would not be a sufficient excuse.

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BPG, a bit ironic that you ask me to explain what I’m talking about.

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“The perpetrators meant it for evil but God meant it for good”.

Seems a reasonable defence next time I kill somebody.

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She’s got her old job back at environment. Expect pledges to burn down all those trees that have just been planted, bat free zones, extra dollops of shit on our beaches, number plates and lead weights on cycles, whale boats in the North Sea and Chris Peckham or is it Packham and his little mate on the first flight to Rwanda with Swella cheering on.

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Deereyme66

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£113k per year pay off. I was expecting a bit more than “I ain’t done anything wrong”. An annual donation of £113k per year to charity promise would have helped. Her husband never looks too impressed with his choice either.

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“It’s likely to be many years before any proper judgement can be made about the pros and cons”.

Not true, negative judgements can and are already being made and paid for by the British people. I recall you trying to educate us at the time with your “superior” economic “knowledge”.

Still waiting for a single benefit.

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And if we are going back in history, I think having a discussion to beat somebody up is pretty scummy behaviour. Not a bar to be Prime Minister according to the Tories?

And dreaming about cheering when a plane takes off to Rwanda is not very caring or classy either. Not a bar to be Home Secretary according to the Tories even though you had to resign from the same job days ago.

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Must have missed it. Has Corbyn been given a job by Sunak?

If not, why is he mentioned so often on here?

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Northumbiron

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JI, just seen your posts on the other thread. Hope the op went well.

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Just Iron

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“political pragmatism” to try and save face and his position in the cabinet more like.

Of course politicians need to adapt, but they should also show good judgement. Those Tories who supported Johnson’s supposed offer to return showed poor judgement and incredible stupidity.

The man is under investigation for misleading parliament (lying). How the hell was making him PM again a good idea.

And JI, I would appreciate some actual opinions from you, rather than your usual commentary on other posters comments. The forum does not need a Nicholas Witchell character.

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23 posts in and still not a single benefit!!

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“even though I take a different position”.

That would be the wrong one then.

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