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Following ‘his’ teachings Bill?
Just look at this, especially the first 3.5m.
JI cheering it on, while calling himself man of God.
You do realise this kind of behaviour is classed as psychotic.
(Warning: this clip contains distressing scenes)
https://www.channel4.com/news/israel-gaza-400000-residents-ordered-to-leave-khan-younisJust for the record:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgerz8we1vgo
“It’s the lesser of two evils”Yes, it’s quite a perverse, cultish mentality IA, lurking behind the veneer of civility.
It’s typical of the far-right or indeed any cultist whose opinions are based on feelings not facts, that when all the contradictions are exposed to them, they crack, go into meltdown and blame the messenger, throwing around all kinds of wild accusations rather than taking a look at themselves. Just like here, in fact.
NB JI…
– You’ve never ceased posting to satisfy anyone!
– WND – You have evidently forgotten again that you’ve been a fan for a long time
and recommend them elsewhere.
-You still think the IDF should continue murdering thousands of non-combatant women
children, sick and elderly in hospitals, schools etc. if Hamas doesn’t return the
hostages. But you still can’t answer questions on how many and how, because you are ashamed to do so – ashamed of yourself, it seems.
– Despite all this, you still consider yourself a Christian worthy of a place in a
paradise! Can you explain how?Every needless death is one too many.
You protest too much JI. You’ve said too much previously to be sincerely resiling now. It’s clear you support the IDF to the hilt. So presumably the deaths of thousands of civilians in Gaza are not needless but necessary, in your cultist view. It’s the lesser of two evils, right?
Part of the problem is that you’re only interested in feelings, not facts, for example that all Gazans are bad people who deserve to die. Or, that the video Siderite posted was actually true. Or, that the nonsense of WND is good, because of the far-right Christian world view world view it presents. Just look at the guff on there, it’s like a copy of Viz! And yourself, supposedly an adult.
It doesn’t matter if it’s mass murder, propaganda or whatever – never mind the facts, if it doesn’t fit your feelings, then it’s best ignored. If you didn’t ignore it, your world would collapse under the weight of reality. So your support for the Nazi-style execution of harmless civilians – unarmed, young, elderly, sick, disabled will continue.
You know all this, but you’re ashamed to admit it on here, and that’s why you can’t give a straight answer to a straight question, on the numbers of civilian murders you’d support, on the kind of killing to be done, etc. You’d rather deflect and waffle, and hope the questions go away. How should the IDF kill an infant, for example? Care to reflect on that one? Shame!
St Peter is watching JI, and you’ll have a lot of explaining to do. How’s your Hebrew?
Well, there’s a confession!
Here we have a champion for World News Daily, random propaganda videos, and a supporter of a lying sex offender for US president! Oh, and all the Brexit propganda too.
And he claims he cares about facts!!!
It’s surely a spoof post.Gurney … be assured ..I definitely don’t need absolution from you.
You make these claims about Israel’s behaviour being ‘the lesser of two evils’ and how they are right to continue with the massacre but you really can’t find it within yourself to defend them on here. You could give a straight answer to a few simple questions, but you really don’t want to, do you?
That’s because you come on here with an image of yourself as a good Christian with solid, family values, living wholeheartedly by the messages your faith teaches, so you know very well that any admission that more, or even all Palestinians should die would make you appear even more hypocritical and shameful than usual.
Let’s try another question and see how you get on. Tens of thousands of women and children have already been killed with bombs, disease and starvation. These are the realities which you support. But, how should the killing continue? More Israeli bombs? Or more bullets, chasing down the desperate, skeletal victims among the ruins, like in some macabre computer game? Or how about Nazi-style camps, where they could be ‘terminated’ in a tidier, more efficient way, perhaps with a Joy Division on site for the IDF. What do you reckon? What should the IDF do?
So, come on JI, you support the mass murder of civilians by the Israeli state, but how should they be killed in future, and how many? Come on, no waffle or deflection, what’s your answer?
“It will be 25 years before we can properly assess whether Brexit was good or not.”
I wonder what JI makes of it.
The lesser of two evils?At no point did I say that innocent civilians ‘deserve’ anything.
That’s because you reply in waffle so you can claim you were misinterpreted.
You might fool yourself with biblical notions of the ‘lesser of two evils’, by which you presumably mean that murdering tens of thousands of babies, children, women, elderly and disabled folk isn’t as bad as taking some Israeli hostages, because the former are Palestinians, so they all deserve it. But this isn’t an eye for an eye, it’s every vital organ being slowly ripped out of thousands of civilians, just for existing, and the callous support you show for it demonstrates not just moral bankrupsty, but borderline psychopathy.
Let me give you a chance to absolve yourself with another question, JI. Given your support for the IDF, if you had the opportunity would you pull the trigger/press the button to shoot/bomb a school/hospital/residential zone where you knew there were civilian families sheltering? It’s the lesser of two evils, right?
If you’re saying ‘enough’ is enough now, why didn’t you say it before??
But you also suggest here that thousands of Palestinian women, children, elderly, sick and the non-combatants are all somehow deserving of death by bombs, bullets, starvation and disease because Israel is forced to slaughter them, as it’s the ‘lesser of two evils’! How so, JI, how so?
I could understand it in the world of a sociopath or someone with a severe personality disorder, but how is this mass slaughter justified in the world of the good Christian? And if it is, how many deaths will be sufficient for you?
Still no straight answer JI.
No deflections or waffle, this is a thread about Israel. How many deaths would it take before you’d call ‘enough’?Let’s assume Hamas don’t return the hostages. You’d want the killing to go on, even of the women, children and non combatants. How many deaths would you be satisfied with before you’d say ‘Stop’ JI? How many deaths would be enough for you? Go on, give us a number… how about 20,000 women and children? Maybe 40,000 is more like it… I mean, they’re only Palestinians and many had the brass neck to be born there, so they deserve it, right? Or, perhaps all of them, just for having the balls to exist. So, go on JI… tell us how many dead women and kids you’d be happy with.
It’s precisely this kind of view that ensures the killing on both sides will not stop, and thousands more women, children, sick, disabled and elderly will lose their lives.
Cross posted above. Sorry!
I have seen nothing to the contrary other than speculation.
That’s not how to look at it. Most just ignore videos like these because they aren’t verified. There’s no proof of who it’s by, nor when/where it was made. Nor is the poster verified, either. It’s the lack of this kind of info which makes it a suspicious, junk video.
Instead, look for who made it, when and where, etc. Plus, mentions from reliable news sources that it’s not just casually made propaganda which could have been posted by either side. If that info is available, it makes it more likely to be genuine.
No need for apologies either, just tune up your bullshit detector!
There are bloodthirsty, murderous leaders in both camps, but what I really resent is that innocent, non-combatant civilians, and particularly their children, are being slaughtered in their tens of thousands largely over (the fiction of) religion. That is the real tragedy, I think we can agree.
the video… is from the horses’ mouth
Do you ever wonder if news sources are reliable? Take the video you posted about Gaza. It’s from someone on Twitter who is unverified. The source of the video is not credited. It’s also not available anywhere else. The video and its content have not been reported by any credible news agencies, and the poster isn’t mentioned anywhere else on the www either.
Fact is, anyone could have made this video, stuck it on Twitter with a fake name and picture, and a few credulous loonies around the world would be saying exactly the same as you’ve said above. Why? Because it confirms their suspicions and prejudices. Never mind if it’s untrue or fake, it’s out there and they really, really want to believe it. Plus, the Twitter ID of a studious-looking young woman helps convince the gullible.
But I do like the line above the video which reads “How brain dead do you need to be to believe this crap?” which says more about the content than the poster could ever have imagined.
The nature of the source doesn’t alter the stuff coming from their mouths at all.
Actually, it does.
It’s simply daft propaganda and you’ve fallen for it.
It’s just like BPG’s videos, and pre-Brexit, Les and the jonnies.
You surely know there are loonies making all sorts of claims about Gaza and elsewhere all over the www which never get reported by reliable news sites.
So, maybe there should be a separate forum on here where those so inclined can swap ridiculous clips with each other, a sort of digital freak show for the hard of thinking to stare, point, and nod along. Call it ‘Propa Propaganda’, or some such.
Just ignore them Siderite, they aren’t worth bothering about.And this is where you go for news about Gaza?
C’mon Siderite, it’s BPG’s league!Last week members released a video saying all Christians and Jews will have to convert to Islam or die.
Where did you see this video?
The long forgotten John Dempsey of Chelsea, candidate for the defensive positions and king of the comb-overs.
https://www.facebook.com/football70s80s/posts/john-dempsey/639781794822370/
Yes, in summary it says ‘Let’s appease Farage, he’s a good guy really, not an extremist at all like those nasty BNP-ers…’
Again, Farage is attempting to profit from the way he’s brought racism into the mainstream by now pretending he’s against it. A ‘Pound-shop Powell’, as one comment rightly put it.
Bobby Charlton’s comb-over – hairlairious!
Filling in the gaps at the back and up front – Hart, Rooney – in spoof ads?Learn form you JI? Why yes, I’ve been doing just that!
I saw that many of Jesus’s flock were making utter fools of themselves online both here and elsewhere, trying to dignify the unspeakable with their fake politeness, and as such were clearly in need of firm guidance.
So a while back I went and had a word with Prof. David Ford, Regius Professor of Divinity Emeritus at the University of Cambridge, and he said “You know what, Gurney? I’ve been thinking the same for a while. The unchristian material out there on the web has made some of ‘em effing stupid… the monstrousness of Netinyahu and the IDF, the egregiousness of Trump, as well as hammering minorities like afro Caribbean lesbians and supporting fools like Farage who brought racism into the mainstream. They just assume it’s all worthy and true. Credulous as hell, some of ‘em! It’s amazing what people will believe!! We need to look at this and get back to first principles. I mean, what would Jesus say???” And with that, he gathered up his cassock and made a swift exit.
And today, this appeared:
And so did this:
If you want those pearly gates you need to clean up your act JI! Even your own team says so.
Well, we can debate the accuracy of stats till the cows… etc etc.. but there are various reliable sources which all quote approximately the same numbers.
However, that would be missing the point. How many deaths is enough before you’d say enough is enough? Can you give a figure?? 40k? 50K 100k Palestinian dead? How many elderly and sick? How many kids have to starve, suffer and lose their families? Figures anyone? Thought not.
The thing is this. It’s not possible to debate with a Nazi or anyone with such blinkered vision about anything, whether it’s online or in a football forum or whatever. They just won’t see any other point of view, because they are incapable.
The radio phone-ins are similar. You can present all kinds of factual information showing that what someone believes is based on lies, myths, exaggerations etc. and ask them at the end ‘Has any of this changed your view at all?’ And they say ‘Well, no, it hasn’t’.
That’s because these people have no interest in facts or truth. They are so tightly wedded to their beliefs they can’t let go of them, because if they did, they’d mentally collapse. It’s also why online forums are so unsuited to serious debate, because they are one of the few places political or religious fanatics get to air their views without being called a crackpot/bigot/nutter in person.
Worse, thanks to social media they easily find others who are as blinkered and bonkers as themselves, which reinforces their fantasies, along with the mysterious algorithm which detects the kind of bilge they like to read – such as JI’s beloved World News Daily – and pushes even more bilge in their direction.
So, it’s a fool’s errand to debate issues such as Palestine in an online forum, when no amount of facts or argument would be likely to shift the dial of someone as biased and blinkered as JI, any more than Bucksiron (remember him?) would have chucked away his blue scarf in disgust at the Tories’ malfeasance and shouted ‘Chairman Keir for PM’ from the rooftops.
Sad, but true.
Sid, of course what’s going on elsewhere is terrible, if you can be bothered to check back, I posted to that effect months ago, after Oct 7th.
My post is about… well it’s pretty obvious. Just look at the stats. Not just the headline figures, but the innocent civilians, the children who have neither business nor interest in this war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
It’s monstrous and needs calling out as such instead of mealy-mouthed attempts to ever-so-calmly and quietly justify the IDF’s actions on the grounds of ‘debate’, when it’s vile, pro-IDF propaganda by any other name, on a par with those dreadful websites/books JI posted in Oct/Nov.
Meanwhile, this post just arrived, delayed by some 85 years….
Grusse aus die Rühr, brauen-freunder!!
Der Juden sein schweinhunden!
Arbeit macht frei fur den Juden in Auschwitz, und ihrer Frauen und Mädchen in Ravensbrück!
Das ist sehr gut fur die Deutsche volke.
Juden raus!
Heil Hitler!Nur-eisen
It’s completely biased rubbish that you’ve offered above JI, with no concern, compassion or sympathy for the mass casualties of innocent civilians, the women and kids killed, injured or starved to death, mostly on the Palestinian side. There’s merely a comment on how many they have reproduced, so it can’t be genocide! Incredible from someone classing himself as a man of god.
I can imagine a similar post about the Jews appearing on a German version of Iron Bru, somewhere in the Rühr industrial connurbation, about 1940…
Eisen Brau – Nicht Fussball
JustEisen schreibe… Achtung Juden Massaker!!! Sieg Heill! Deutchland uber alles!!
For you, faith is like football without the goals. It’s a case of ‘my team, right or wrong’, and as such there’s no point in debating with the wilfully blinkered dinosaur-denier from the Anglican-Jewish madrassa. You’ve got your scarf so tightly tied round your neck that your critical and empathetic faculties have completely atrophied.
That’s why religion is best avoided, like bow ties and tattoos.
The reason why you don’t get a ‘reasoned discussion’ where ‘your points are properly addressed’ doesn’t lie with other posters, it lies with yourself. You get your news from the ridiculous WND, support the far right, and for the White House you’d vote for a convicted sex offender who lies the way the rest of us breathe. Plus, you have the temerity to call yourself religious!
The problem is that like many deeply religious folk, your political opinions are based not on facts and reason but on feelings, falsehoods, unreliable anecdotes and misunderstandings all garnered from disreputable news sources, which serve to reinforce your own prejudices.
It’s utterly bonkers, and that is why you never get the kind of fawning sympathy you crave.
Aye, I think it’s Labour’s ‘aggressive cautiousness’ at winning the game and getting into power. Once there with a sizable majority – a size that’s unlikely to be repeated in future elections – they should be brave enough to be radical on all these fronts, like Brexit.
Just about everything the Brexiters said would get better, has got worse. And now, Farage, the man who lied loudest and longest about Brexit is benefitting from the damage it has done to the Tory party! Oh, the irony.
And, where’s Jonny these days? He seems to have gone quiet. Busy doing doors for Reform, maybe?
Many here did too, among them the royals and the Daily Mail.
These days it’s mostly Reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4koTrue, Harvey was ok. But I always thought ‘Rough’ was a description.
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