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Just reading a must read book for all Christians.
“Christianity and Liberalism” by J Gresham Machen.
He points out Liberalism is an entirely different religion to Christianity.
I will post a great view from Amazon on the chapter regarding Salvation in a later post.

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Thanks Wolfie (and your supporter),your post says so much about you.

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I have apologised,but did you understand the irony of my post!? Obviously not.

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The unrepentant sinner always favours the unrepentant sinner,Iron-awe.
Your last post gives me great comfort,thanks.

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..and one final point from me. We were friends,you sent a a character assassination post that was unjustified to a person you hardly knew. Hurt was the result.You reply has always been,” get over it and move on. “ I have ,but you still have the high and mighty stance you were right.Shame.

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If he says you were wrong in your post,will you apologise?

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“I have no confidence that a one to one would be productive”.
Deeryme-“ why don’t you just meet up again and reconcile your differences?”
The offer has been there for a long long time Deeryme,but the offer has been declined,wanting a Judge and jury encounter instead,unfortunately.

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You are completely wrong ,I have held out a hand of reconciliation,but the offer has been refused ( just to put the record straight.)

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Have you repented of your “clumsy” post and offered an apology? Only a regret you used the word “ limp”
. You have not fully apologised with conviction.i have forgiven you,moved on,but you are still unrepentant. There’s the problem.”I’m only trying to help you in your Christian walk”,as the saying goes..

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“Packer- Death of Death Introduction”. (Monergism)
10-15 min read . A work of utmost importance for a Christian seeking the truth.

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“..have a listen to John Lennox and Alister Mcgrath.Thats what I would do if I were you.”
I rest my case. Your low opinion and snobbery is blatantly seen in your post.
You haven’t a clue about me have you!!??

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The words patronising,pompous and arrogant are words I didn’t choose lightly.
Your insulting post which led to our fallout ( which you constantly dismiss as “ get over it”) is the reason I use those words. Have I forgiven you,completely. Have I got over it,completely. But until you realise you were completely wrong ,speaking to a person you hardly knew,and unable to say sorry for the hurt inflicted ,I will consider the words fully appropriate.

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..your view of Christians as Bible bashing,self righteous ,do-gooders if naive to the extreme.

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.”.use your intelligence and read some books” was a classic!

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Regeneration precedes Faith. This is vital to understand in the Christian faith.Some have a more Pelagian view of salvation ,unfortunately.

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“and you’ve read into that an insult.” NO.
My reply was in connection with your character.

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“…Now I’ll have to see when I can get some time to answer Bill’s challenge.”
Your schoolteacher patronising,pompous,arrogance always shines through in your posts. Your insulting , “ I’m only trying to help” message which led to our fallout ( with no apology to a person you virtually knew nothing about) is systematic with your approach to life.

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May I ask ,where have you ever presented the Gospel message on this site? Besides trying to be fair and show a holier than thou attitude,and showing you are a “good”(in human terms)person,trying to show other people how to behave,where have you declared we are sinful people who need to repent and put our faith in Jesus Christ(etc) . You have declared you are a Christian,true, but as for any interactional,you declare anyone who does that is confrontation and fighting a kind of battle to be won! Our friendly disagreements led to a false character assassination about a person you hardly knew ,and an arrogant attitude than had failed to seek reconciliation.

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..I will say no more.
I will leave it to the silent Christian to give you the Gospel message ( he will apologise if he offends anyone.)

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As you have stated Siderite,we need to cooperate to get along,actually that’s not true.Take someone like Stalin,he cooperated with very few people,just his henchmen and he killed millions of people to get what he wanted.He died on his deathbed at 74 shaking his fist at God one last time,he never paid for his sins in this life
So the problem it seems is we know and you know right from wrong,and I don’t need to believe in God to know that,I just need there to be a God to justify it.
Let me put it this way,a lot of atheists say look I know right from wrong,and I agree with you,but that’s like saying I can know what a book says and deny there is an author,which is true,but there would be no book to read unless there was an author.
The same is true with morality,you can know what the right thing to do is and deny there is a God,but there would be no right thing to do unless there was a God.FT.

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..The people who say “ there is no God”,we can kill 6 million Jews or we can kill 100 million with our ideology ,did they care about “ destruction and misery”?
There is only one way to live ,and your view of reality is flawed due to your rebellion against your Creator.

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,…I’d say that’s evidence for it being something which can be deemed immoral.”
Your view is there is no God. How do you justify something is immoral? Who says?
You are continually stealing from the word of God in the Holy Bible to make sense of your world,if you did but know it.

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Keeping to the question I put to Gurnelista.
You state a humanist perspective of basing moral decisions on the foundations of the ‘golden rule’…empathy…perfect life…etc. I put it to you as well Siderite,if there is no God ( which the humanist claims),if someone comes along and thinks the complete opposite..doesn’t want empathy,perfect life,etc and wants to destroy and get all you stuff etc,if there is no God,how do you DEFEND your position you are right and they are wrong?

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Even though YOU want to be Judge over your Creator,the truth is on the day of judgement YOU will be in the dock.BUT there is Good News.

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..if a country decides it is morally right to kill 6 million Jews.or countries have an ideology that leads to the death of over 100 million is correct,your post sounds good but is illogical. Only faith in Christ,turning to God and following his truth in the Holy Bible will bring peace and happiness rather than chaos and misery.

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NO, the question I asked,Gurnelista,was if there is no God ( your opinion) how can you DEFEND your claim passing on values to kids such as honesty and kindness is the correct thing to do,if someone claimed the opposite is true?
You see Gurnelista,as you were made in God’s image,even though you are rebelling against your Creator,you have to steal from the Christian worldview to make sense of your life.

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…the answer I expected .

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My point is Deereyme66, if in your worldview there is no God,you cannot DEFEND you are right in stating ,passing on values to kids such as honesty and kindness is the correct thing to do.If someone states the opposite,why are you right and they are wrong,if there is no God?

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