Thoughts?

[cassidystash]

” Robbie Savage now says Forest Green Rovers HAVE contacted the National League over his claims he was abused at Carlisle United – two days after saying he did not want any such action.
The visiting manager claimed he came in for “vile” abuse from some Blues fans during his side’s 4-2 defeat at Brunton Park.”

Justified or, as a football manager, should he be able to handle it.
What’s allowable and what crosses the line?

[SouthYorksIron]

“Vile abuse” is never acceptable, but if anyone should be prepared for it, it’s a bloke who spent a long playing career glorying in being a wind-up merchant and then followed it by being a dismissive “how many caps have you got?” type on radio phone-ins.

I don’t particularly dislike the bloke, but if anyone’s been asking for it…

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[Awaywego]

Absolute arsehole read the reports from both sides, he was winding up Carlisle fans before the game giving it large when twice equalising plus the full length of the pitch celebration when equalising against us all of which is alright so long as you appreciate what goes around comes around.
Bout time everyone grew a pair football is to sanitised these days.

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[TheJuryeffsOut]

I agree awaywego, don’t give if you can’t take.
Unfortunately what Savage doesn’t realise is you can’t have “banter” with morons they will just take it to a vile level which in their pea brains equals a win.
The days of being a pantomime villain which he thinks he can still do are over.

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[Plymiron]

Don’t know what was said to Savage beyond the usual grief you get from the opposition fans,but as a Manager you should be setting the standards not winding them up – call me old fashioned :)
I know football is an emotional sport for all involved – but the Manager should lead by example. UTI

[Deereyme66]

My thoughts are that I’ll reserve judgement till I know what ‘discriminatory and abusive’ language was used and whether it overstepped the mark or not. Regardless of his pantomime villain character and a WUM, some language is simply inexcusable. I suspect he wouldn’t have made such a point about it if it wasn’t way over mark. Be interesting to hear or see the FA report on it when completed.

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[Deereyme66]

Can I just ask a few of you what exactly it is that you think he should be taking and deserving of? Unless I’m mistaken, I don’t think that level of detail has been publicised yet. Or is he just fair game for any level of discriminatory and abusive language, in your opinion?

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[Awaywego]

Unless it’s about one of his family members dying or ill recently, ps don’t know either way but that wouldn’t be fair.
Doesn’t appear to be gay or a peodo so any abuse there is ok, being Welsh is fair game to throw abuse, haircut fair game, his wife takes it up the wrong un fair game, f or c fair game.
Can’t really think of ought else that wouldn’t be ok.
What language or words do consider inexcusable Deerey

[Northumbiron]

Pot and kettle personified.

Perhaps if he hadn’t been such a knob throughout his playing and punditry careers he wouldn’t be a target.

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[IronIronIron]

I don’t often agree with OhDeereyme, but on this occasion I think he is absolutely correct.

Don’t get me wrong, Savage is not to my taste at all, but he has taken “acceptable” abuse for at least 20 years, so whatever has now been said must be a lot worse.

He gives it out and he takes it, but there are limits.

[Rene Artois]

Life was so much simpler back in the 60s 70s 80s

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[Awaywego]

Surely abuse is abuse.
“acceptable” Lol. of course I expect that would come down to your interpretation.
So many people are so far up their own arse and so self righteous unbelievable!

[cassidystash]

Another thought:-
Would he have been so “sensitive” if FGR had won?

[Deereyme66]

Awaywego wrote:

Surely abuse is abuse.
“acceptable” Lol. of course I expect that would come down to your interpretation.
So many people are so far up their own arse and so self righteous unbelievable!

Some people are a bit thick, total plebs and uneducated aswell.

[Deereyme66]

‘Pot and kettle personified.’

That would imply he’s dished out discriminatory and abusive language that crosses the line in the past. What specific incidents are you aware of?

[Awaywego]

Bit less of all the questions Deerey and maybe answer a few yourself.
Up to now no one other than me as answered the OP on “What’s allowable and what crosses the line”
Come on it’s only a opinion.

[Deereyme66]

Literally couldn’t give a flying one about what you expect from others awaywego. You post like it’s mandatory to answer your questions. I’ve asked some but if people don’t answer I don’t really care tbh. The OP title says ‘Thoughts?’ and that’s what I’ve given on the subject matter.

[Northumbiron]

Deereyme66 wrote:

‘Pot and kettle personified.’

That would imply he’s dished out discriminatory and abusive language that crosses the line in the past. What specific incidents are you aware of?

You answered your own question in your first post. You said you’d reserve judgement.

I don’t know what was said, I wasn’t there. I don’t condone it, I merely provided a possible reason for why he was on the receiving end.

There’s a lot of inflammatory football chants around (one sung to the tune of The Addams Family that’s pretty derogatory). So is it okay to abuse a whole fanbase but not an individual?

[Deereyme66]

Yep, I’m reserving judgement untill I know what was said. You admit to not knowing what was said yourself but seem happy to jump on the ‘deserved it’ bandwagon with a ‘pot / kettle’ remark, demonstrating you’ve completely missed the point. Your last question is irrelevant aswell. Still all opinions, innit?

[Deereyme66]

‘Perhaps if he hadn’t been such a knob throughout his playing and punditry careers he wouldn’t be a target’

I’m not sure you understand the implications of that, but it’s all opinions, I keep being told.

[Awaywego]

From one of Carlisle’s forum twould appear the abuse was ” there’s only one Robbie Savage” you know the rest.
Bit old hat but hardly earth shattering when it comes to abuse.

[Deereyme66]

Ah yes, ‘one of Carlisle’s forum’…that great harbinger of truth! Clearly case closed then m’lud. Lol, it gets worse.

[Awaywego]

Truly does Deerey, one saying he’ll have a meltdown when he turns up at Scunthorpe, the abuse the bench got from scunny fans.
Bit harsh on forums Deerey, you do realise you moderate on one of them.
Several of them on there sad that the chant was heard so for me I’ve no reason to not believe them, ” savage is an arsehole was another chant” and was called a grebo.

[Deereyme66]

I’m not even attempting to decipher your last post. Pointless, trying to reason with you.

[Awaywego]

Wouldn’t be so bad if you were trying to reason with me Deerey.
I comment on Carlisle’s forum you reply about Carlisle’s forum I comment again and pretend you don’t know what the f I’m on about. Wtf.

[Lord Kitchener]

I think Lilly Savage has thicker skin than poor little Robbie. Pathetic!

[Deereyme66]

We still don’t know exactly what was said, but Carlisle United have released this statement below. It’s bigger than Savage, whether some of you like it, or agree or not:

“The Club promotes equality, diversity and inclusion and expects everyone attending Brunton Park to show respect for all participants, players, staff, officials, opponents and fellow fans.

“We understand games are passionate and emotive, but abusive or discriminatory language and chanting is totally unacceptable and will not be tolerated by the Club, as detailed in our Club Charter and policies.

“Any instances identified will be dealt with in accordance with our Sanctioning Policy.”

[Deereyme66]

Would you or would you not agree that football matches should be for everyone and you should be able to attend without feeling threatened or unsafe by louts chanting mindless discrimatory crap? Awaywego, you don’t need to answer, you made your position on women at mens football matches clear on Bru a long time ago. Think it was around 2015 but may well have been 1955 in attitude.

[cassidystash]

I admire your sentiments Deerey but that’s the way of the world sadly. I was watching football from the late 50’s, a time when things were as you’d like them to be now. We’ll never see those times again.
“2-4-6-8 who do we appreciate” and all that. Small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts wasn’t it. Aaaaah nostalgia.

[Awaywego]

The same policies are in place at most if not all clubs, clubs talk a good talk but when it comes to action they’re found wanting.
Football is really not for you and I understand why you don’t go to games anymore Deerey, though I don’t think your old enough to remember it as Cass alludes to, I’ve been going for 56 years now and it’s the same now as it always as been.
Well actually not in the 70/80 there was no segregation and was a lot more tasty.

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