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It’s all about performance, perform and the crowd will back them all the way, if they don’t then people will have their say, even when they win (ala marine last season)
From reports the crowd have given Butler and the team latitude with having such a promising start to the season and quite rightly so, but it’s 9 games since the Carlisle defeat and performances appear to have dropped off, so if there’s booing maybe Butler should reflect on what he needs to do.
Are Liverpool fans not questioning Slot even though they won the title course they are because what’s on show is not acceptable.
Never had a manager before who’s criticized the fans as much as he does, if you don’t like it Butler “Do one”1 user thanked author for this post.
Andy Butler does right to take exeption at some of the dogs abuse I’ve witnessed aimed at him for our so called fans who seem to think it’s their right to be abusive, while pretending to exercise their right to criticise. Absolute awful human beings who should be nowhere near other humans. That said, there was a bizarre one near me yesterday ,just as Braintree scored a fan shouted in a clearly exasperated voice “what’s going on!” didn’t seem to be particularly aimed anywhere yet Butler took exception seemed to lose concentration completely and mouthed something at the fan who looked confused and just shrugged his shoulders, Butler for a few minutes kept turning round to glare and mouth stuff. This guy looked pretty shocked . I can only assume that Butler has groan tired of the loons and this guy copped it for them. It juat looked odd
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Never felt inclined to boo my team or manager – that shambles of a performance at Marine probably as close as I ever came Awaywego.
However we were shockingly bad at Solihull last week and were lucky to escape with a point against a very poor team yesterday.
Not many shades of grey with football fans Andy. Adulation when you win and criticism when you don’t. If Carlton had scored a second goal yesterday we would have likely got 2 or 3 before your substitution bingo and you would be a genius.
If you can’t handle a bit of criticism with good grace when your team plays poorly it might not be the career for you.
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To hope Michelle noticed Butler actions and has a word with him 64, not a good look.
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to 64 and Awaywego, i have criticized the team and Butler and Mr. Butler looked my way in the Threadgould stand mouthing something and pointing to me and pointing out like he wanted me thrown out the ground !
The assistant manager calmed Butler down. I was shocked like the fan yesterday, as butler will get shouted at if the performances are not good enough, that’s football, maybe the wrong career for Butler.
Bring back Jimmy Dean, a nice guy, who would apologize if they had not played well.1 user thanked author for this post.
However we were shockingly bad at Solihull last week and were lucky to escape with a point against a very poor team yesterday.
If you can’t handle a bit of criticism with good grace when your team plays poorly it might not be the career for you.I think his problem might be how he sees a performance. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him use the word poor even though fans can see that it is.
“Need to be sharper in both boxes”
“Need to be better through the thirds”
“We weren’t really on it”
But never poor. Nobody wants to see a team b********g in the middle of the pitch but players need to be left in no doubt that what we are currently watching is totally unacceptable before the fans do the talking and walk.1 user thanked author for this post.
Butler seem to be over protective of players to the point of losing sight of what we all witnessed. We gave a poor team a point. AB just be honest we ain’t stupid we know what we are watching and a present its not great.
We are playing like a mid-table team which at the start of the season we were all happy to be. But when we are poor we can all say it and don’t need to be abusive, (booing is expressing a view its not abusive). There is plenty of effort and hard work just the inability to shoot (and score) is missing. BTW Westwood and Horton both look better by the week2 users thanked author for this post.
Ultimately, Andy Butler is trying his best but he seems to be quite thin skinned. To the point where people are booing or shouting and it might not even be aimed at him or the players and he assumes it is!
I agree we want a positive environment, and the achievement so far this season merits a bit of positivity really – but telling fans not to bother coming if they’re not going to happy clap, and seeming to suggest fans should be thrown out… That’s not how it works. There has always been booing and shouting, since before Butler was even born.
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I think his problem might be how he sees a performance. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him use the word poor even though fans can see that it is.
“Need to be sharper in both boxes”
“Need to be better through the thirds”
“We weren’t really on it”
But never poor. Nobody wants to see a team b********g in the middle of the pitch but players need to be left in no doubt that what we are currently watching is totally unacceptable before the fans do the talking and walk.I’d rather he was constructive and uses the damage limitation language he does, than throw the players under the bus just so six fans can applaud him for using the word “poor”.
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Butler needs to get a grip of this. Most fans back him and are happy with how he got us promoted and an overall decent season so far. Most aren’t blaming him or player effort for our recent slump.
As long as it isn’t abusive, negative comments are expected, even if some are overly negative at times. But that’s the price for free speech. People should temper themselves if they can, but they shouldn’t be forced to. Gesticulating for fans to go for asinine comments is ridiculous and makes him look bad. It’s the fans’ club as well, even if some might be negative. It doesn’t bode well if things really go awry.
This all said, I am glad he is the manager over an overrated lower non-league manager who tried and failed with a bigger budget. He achieved more with less.
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It’s the fans’ club as well, even if some might be negative.
This is partly my point, really. It’s more theirs than his! Being a supporter of a team is for life, whereas the manager’s job is for a short period of time in the grand scheme of things. Not saying he should accept what 64 calls ‘dogs abuse’, of course.
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We’ve all seen the mouth foaming swivel eyed loons who’ve drunk too much at the wall ranting and abusing the manager at the end of games,I don’t want them there any more than Butler does,in fact I’m sure it would help them become better people if they got banned.The guy I saw yesterday was not aiming comments at Butler or booing ,Butler just singled him out.I am sure it can be resolved.
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Yes and the guy I saw was genuinely foaming at the mouth.Genuinely hideous creature of a man,he also had a young kid with him,what a role model.Swivel eyed may have been an embellishment for added comedic effect mind you
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lol Awaywego, sure it wasn’t you gobbing off in the Threadgold stand on Saturday?
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Deffo,, haven’t been to an home game all season, sounds like 64 goes in there though.
I go in there too but it’s more in the hope Mr Threadgold might walk round and offer some of us oldies a cheap funeral plan.
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Bring back Jimmy Dean, a nice guy, who would apologize if they had not played well.
Butler – 19 National League games – 10 wins – Limited budget
Dean – 19 National League games – 3 wins – Open cheque bookNah, that’s too logical
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Not a fan of Jimmy’s football but that’s not a fair comparison with Jimmy’s stats there taking on a relegation placed team mid season.
Jimmy’s Nln season 26 wins.
Butlers Nln season 26 wins
So I’m with Bhuna Jimmy was a genuine nice guy from all the comments while he was here.
Jimmy nice guy
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