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I think you underestimate the chairman IITB. Surely the smart move would be to keep Cox, sign cheap players in May/June/July/August and then sack Cox so that he can be blamed for the dross that we’re likely to sign and next seasons potential disaster.
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Swanny has sacked many before and that as achieved nothing, hope he gives Cox at least another year.
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Get Richie Wellens in and allow him the budget to do what he wants with!
Swann junior can do the deals but only with the managers say so!
In my opinion there’s been too many people with no idea making decisions on squads etc.. that’s proven by the current shambles of a football team!
The clubs become a joke!!
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Get Richie Wellens in and allow him the budget to do what he wants with!
You could get Guardiola in, but with the budget he’d be given the results would be minimal.
There’s no easy fix for this. The rot started three seasons ago and it’ll take another three to sort it out.
Cox is not the main problem.
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No one is fighting for cox!!
His tactics are poor!!
Time for him to go!!!!
It’s obvious
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I’ve said before that the Club is in dire need of some stability. Some will argue that keeping us in L2 has been success for the manager but after almost a full season I ask this question – Has he shown any sign at all that he is learning how to be a Football League manager?
He continues to pick the same failing players.
He continues to use the same failing tactics.
He continues to worry about the opposition rather than his own team.
He continues to fail to motivate his players.
He continues to insist we’re looking to win games which we clearly aren’t.
He’s been dealt a bad hand that’s true, but does anybody believe he’s getting the best out of what’s available? I really want continuity but he has to prove he deserves to stay.
Also disappointed with what Lillis appears to be contributing, many of us will remember his wonderful motivational run before the Swansea play off game. He appears to have lost that ability and seems ineffective, remember the Cox/Lillis appointment was hailed as the dream team at the the time.2 users thanked author for this post.
He continues to pick the same failing players.
He continues to use the same failing tactics.
He continues to worry about the opposition rather than his own team.
He continues to fail to motivate his players.
He continues to insist we’re looking to win games which we clearly aren’t.
He’s been dealt a bad hand that’s true, but does anybody believe he’s getting the best out of what’s available? I really want continuity but he has to prove he deserves to stay.1) Which players should he pick? This is not a good squad, especially when you lose a couple to injury.
2) Not true. He moved away from a back 5 and it proved much more successful.
3) Most managers do this.
4) Didn’t look the case against, say, Grimsby at home this season.
5) Maybe we’re just crap?
6) Yes, I do. I think he’s done very well with a terrible squad.Honestly, how often do issues like motivation & contracts come up at successful, well-run clubs?
I do completely agree with you on Lillis, I think that was a strange appointment, bringing in someone who’s been out of the game for a while to help an inexperienced manager.
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The issue with the players dropping off in terms of motivation and work rate has conveniently started when allegedly contracts have been offered/withdrawn. We saw it when we were top of league one and no we’ve seen it with these no hopers.
Its only an assumption, but is Cox waiting until we are mathematically safe before making the wholesale changes?
Sacking him at this stage is a pointless endeavour. I’m far from convinced thus far with his tactical ability but at least he has had a year to work with the core squad whom will be here next year and will have some understanding on additions needed. The signings under his stewardship of Karacan and Taft were a vast improvement on the dross bought during the summer and there appears to be a working relationship with Swann JR and the transfer committee- which is an achievement in itself.
The outcome whoever in charge seems inevitable regardless.
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remember the Cox/Lillis appointment was hailed as the dream team at the the time.
Yes, let’s wind back to last summer. The league had been declared null & void so we were spared the nervous end to season we’ve just witnessed. Wilcox declared that he didn’t want to be first team manager, so the vacancy was there.
I was one of the many who said that it had to be the right appointment as we couldn’t continue as a hiring and firing club. It had been the same the previous year when Hurst was appointed. As ‘tash says Cox & Lillis looked to be the dream team. A young, hungry manager eager to cut his teeth in his first managerial role, and a wily old fox who knows the ins and outs of the game. The bonus being that they were both ex Iron players and, indeed Cox was a Scunny lad!
Fast forward a year and we are still in the same position. So why didn’t it work?
Well it hadn’t worked with McCall, Daws/Dawson or Hurst so should we have expected anything different?Cox has still suffered the same frustrations as previous incumbents. Training ground injuries, players going through mood-swings, players being asked to play out of position, realising in October your keeper isn’t good enough so bringing in someone on a short term contract/loan. Not having an on field leader in the Crozzer/Bish mould. Not having a plan B!
All these things have happened before Cox and Lillis set foot through the door. It’s been a season of more of the same. What had made this season even worse is the quality of players Cox has had to work with. He is responsible for bringing some here, but most were sourced by our erstwhile recruitment “committee”.
I don’t disagree with SS24 or IITB, I just think that whilst the present ownership continue as they have, changing the manager will have minimal effect on our performances. Sack Cox and appoint Wellens, Mourinho or whoever and I’ll stick my neck out and say we’ll be back having the same conversation next Spring.
Peter Swann comes on and talks a good job. We’re restricted by budget, Covid has been terrible, we’ve been unlucky with injuries to our best players etc etc etc. But it’s the same for every club in L2 (and many in L1). Look at Morecambe. Absolute garbage last year, could get automatic promotion this. They’ve done it during a pandemic with no fans in the stadium and a small budget. Accrington Stanley in L1. Harrogate Town FFS!
This malaise has been set in at our club since Chris Lucetti left. I don’t think a sixth manager since we sacked Alexander will do any better, especially if we keep signing too many poor players.
The guys who needs to learn from their mistakes are not just the ones sat in the dugout.
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1) Which players should he pick? This is not a good squad, especially when you lose a couple to injury.
Maybe ones that have some interest in SUFC next season?
2) Not true. He moved away from a back 5 and it proved much more successful.
Still reverts to it sometimes. Lone striker?
3) Most managers do this.
Some do it successfully
4) Didn’t look the case against, say, Grimsby at home this season.
Do you have many more examples, I bet I have more of the other kind.
5) Maybe we’re just crap?
No argument there.
6) Yes, I do. I think he’s done very well with a terrible squad.
He looks as if he’s kept us in the league, as for “very well” we’ll have to disagree.2 users thanked author for this post.
Maybe ones that have some interest in SUFC next season?
That assumes there are some!
Look, I don’t think Cox is a great manager or will ever be one but I still think finding a way of keeping us in the league this season is no mean achievement. Look at what’s happened to the Cods under much more experienced managers and with a similar squad.
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Having heard and read his latest post match comments what is the point of anyone showing any interest.
The big plus this season is the gates have been maintained, next season will be a whole different thing. This a mess, the budget is what it is but we need someone who will not accept mediocrity.
The fitness has been a huge issue this season so a full investigation is needed starting there.
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Same as usual post match.
” We were poor again tonight.” Heard that before?
“When we come in on Thursday morning, the focus will be on Saturday” Like the focus was yesterday and last Saturday? Or better?
“we’ll have a good luck(?) around and see who really wants it.” Good luck with that!!
” A lot of them are hurting, and really disappointed with the way the season has gone because they expected more from themselves.” Doesn’t show Neil “We’ll pick them up ready for Saturday.” Yeh right!3 users thanked author for this post.
I have never criticised Cox so far given he walked into such a difficult situation.
However, todays line up is capable of at least mid table League 2 football.
We now get battered regularly by teams that are sh1te.
Doing what the Chairman tells you is the only positive quality this management team seem to have.
What a sorry state we are in. Not sure I can be arsed to watch the second half.
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In my opinion Swann is to blame for where this club currently finds itself
The same shite recruitment and the last couple of years shambolic pre-seasons
I wish he’d never taken over our club!
As for Cox, just a yes man given an unbelievable opportunity considering his CV in football management.
He was never going to challenge or argue against the decisions of the board and that’s why he’s here!!
Shit manager with absolutely no clue what he’s doing other than ‘letting them have it’… that obviously works with players not even watching pre-match videos!!
No respect for him or the fans… worst squad in the history of the club!!
Back to Cox, He has absolutely no idea how to win football matches… even when we’ve won games the majority of the time we’ve been crap!
Time to go Cox!!!!!
But we’d need the new man in within a week so we avoid the same shambles of the past few years.
Even with Cox gone we are still stuck with the current ownership so the chances are nothing will change regardless of who is the manager.
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I saw it but don’t believe it.
Not content with leaving our second best player (Karajan) on the bench he has now tried to rescue the game by taking off our best player.
You couldn’t make it up.
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Problem with Cox is that tactically he has shown himself to be clueless.
Problem with Swann is that chairmanship wise he has proven himself to be clueless
Its not a good position.
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The more I see of Lillis the more I think he was a care home resident not a worker, what a bloody farce we are.
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As for Cox, just a yes man given an unbelievable opportunity considering his CV in football management. He was never going to challenge or argue against the decisions of the board and that’s why he’s here!!
We know what happened to the last manager who wasn’t a “yes man”. He could well have the last laugh.
But depressingly whilst the present incumbents are in the driving seat we are only going to get “yes men” as managers.
That’s why I can’t see anything changing for the better.
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I think you underestimate the chairman IITB. Surely the smart move would be to keep Cox, sign cheap players in May/June/July/August and then sack Cox so that he can be blamed for the dross that we’re likely to sign and next seasons potential disaster.
But Cass, what makes you think that Cox will have a say in who gets brought in during the Summer, it is Swanneys son that is head of recruitment, but we all know that he will not get any blame, who signed Turan, Hippolyte, Jarvis, Loft, Green etc, why has no body ever got brought over the coals for their signings. Cox must go before a pound of club cash is spent, he has proved that he has no idea what to do to stop the rot, mind it cannot be easy wit Mussa being his assistant. The big question is why is Cox not getting the old Swanny push, when all the many others had far better records than this clown.
The club is presently in a real mess, we only have about five decent players in a squad of about 50 players, we cannot score a goal, probably because we do not even shoot, we are in 22 slot in the bottom division, we are not given the slightest bit of entertainment, we have run up a debt of probably 12 million pounds over the past six years, we have now signed our ground and all land over to the Swann owned company, and now have no ground or money, and fans will not take much more of the shite they have been fed over the years, it is far too easy to blame the Corona virus for our plight, but the rot was well set into the club well before any bloody virus. So really the 4,000 long serving fans have nothing lefty have they???, or maybe some appartments ha ha!
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I’ve been of a mind to give Cox my support, knowing all of the problems he’s had to deal with in a season far from normal.
Yesterday’s starting lineup was probably the strongest he could have put out (possible exception of Eisa in for Green).
Walsall at home was arguably the easiest of the four remaining fixtures.
So to roll over and die without a single shot on target, then taking off the one player able to produce something out of nothing, was totally unacceptable.
If he has lost the dressing room then he’s neither use nor ornament, and should go.
However we know what would happen should he jump or get pushed today/tomorrow. The Pawn would stick Russ back in charge for the last three games.
I do feel sorry for Neil, but then again I feel sorry for anyone who has to come in and work under the present ownership.
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Even the groundsman jumped ship, he’s now at Lincoln, I presume he got fed up of having to clean all the crap off the pitch after every game.
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