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  • #320938
    SideriteSiderite
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    Booted from the Championship playoff final. Boro to play Hull.

    #320939
    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    Meanwhile in Kings Lynn:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyplyl8l81o

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    #320940
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Bit like Scunny nothing on their web page yet.

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    Bit like Scunny nothing on their web page yet.

    Why would Scunny have any of this on their site?

    #320942
    SODIronSODIron
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    Bringing it back to the topic of Southampton.

    It’s good to see the football authorities taking firm action on this. I feel a little for the supporters of Southampton, because ultimately they are the ones who suffer most when a club is punished, but the club had openly broken the rules and there has to be a consequence for that.

    Football can’t keep operating on the basis that rules only apply when it is convenient. Whether it is financial regulations, governance failures, or breaches of league requirements, clubs know what the framework is before they sign up to compete. If a club chooses to push beyond those limits, then it can’t be surprised when the authorities step in.

    That said, I do think there needs to be a balance. Punishments should be firm enough to act as a deterrent, but they should also be applied consistently across all clubs. Supporters will rightly question the process if one club is punished quickly and another seems to avoid serious consequences for similar behaviour.

    For Southampton fans, it is a frustrating position to be in. They turn up, pay their money, support the team through good times and bad, and then have to deal with the fallout from decisions made above their heads. But sympathy for the supporters doesn’t mean the club itself should escape accountability.

    In the long run, strong enforcement is better for the game. Clubs need to know that rules matter, that there are consequences for breaking them, and that success can’t simply be built by ignoring the obligations everyone else is expected to follow.

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    #320943
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    We all have to deal with the fallout of decisions made above our heads, fc100,000 the board adding more debt which most of you don’t want (the loans). The taking the ground as part payment for debt.
    Nothing fans can do about it but just enjoy the good times when they happen I’m afraid.
    Like you say rules aren’t applied fairly across the board just take man city, that’ll never change they’ll always be the big club little club syndrome.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Citeh are a case in point. Makes a mockery of justice and a level playing field.

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    #320949
    TwoWrightsTwoWrights
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    They should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute, the EFL that is. No sympathy for Southampton FC, but lots for their fans.

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    Thing is it wasn’t a one-off. Apparently they”d done the same at Oxford and Ipswich.

    As harsh as it may seem to the Saints fans it had to be nipped in the bud or others would have done the same.

    At least we’ll now see Boro’s PoTS Hayden Hackney gracing the Wembley turf!

    #320959
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    Not sure where the EFL stand in law?
    As the law at present states that anyone can photograph, or video, anything they can see FROM A PUBLIC PLACE.
    How is football training exempt?

    #320966
    SODIronSODIron
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    Southampton broke the following EFL regulations (note: #127 was brought in specifically following the previous Leeds United / Marcelo Bielsa spying debacle).

    EFL Regulation 3.4: the duty for clubs to act towards each other with ‘utmost good faith’.
    EFL Regulation 127: the rule that prohibits a club from observing, or attempting to observe, another club’s training session within 72 hours of a scheduled match between the two clubs.

    #320971
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    Southampton broke the following EFL regulations (note: #127 was brought in specifically following the previous Leeds United / Marcelo Bielsa spying debacle).

    EFL Regulation 3.4: the duty for clubs to act towards each other with ‘utmost good faith’.
    EFL Regulation 127: the rule that prohibits a club from observing, or attempting to observe, another club’s training session within 72 hours of a scheduled match between the two clubs.

    These are both very serious things to breach.

    It’s not just the knock-out bit (the play offs), though, that they’ve sullied. They’ve made a mockery of the final Championship table. It is highly improbable that their spying (and therefore also their shitting on the idea of ‘utmost good faith’ towards other clubs) was restricted to the Oxford and Ipswich league matches. There’s just no way you can give them reasonable benefit of the doubt bearing in mind the admitted breaches.

    In my opinion, they should finish this particular season on a punitive 0 points (as Sheffield Wednesday did), and everyone else moves up a place in the final table. Therefore Wrexham should be allowed their shot in the play offs, however that could work logistically.

    There would even be a case to say that Southampton should be put out of the whole EFL, imho. You can’t have clubs doing this and getting away with a little slap on the wrist. Make them sit on the naughty step and think about what they’ve done, and then start again / try again / rebuild trust with the wider football community (the sum of which, in their case, would mean taking the punishment as a cleaning of the slate, and attempting in good faith to attain EFL status).

    Some would say that would unduly punish the fans – but would it? The fanbase would generally take care of itself, I think. There would be those who would be angry and bitter, but any drop off in Southampton supporter numbers would be the club’s fault, and their issue to address. You support whatever happens – you don’t care less because your team is in a lower league (as we very well know).

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    Citeh are a case in point. Makes a mockery of justice and a level playing field.

    I feel like there could be something coming soon around the 115, and that’s a big part of Pep’s exit.

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    #320974
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    Well done to the EFL.

    The sanction had to be the severest possible otherwise what would be the point.
    Also seems further investigations are going on about other personnel’s conduct.

    The guy sent to do the spying did what he was told to do therefore he must keep his job.

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    Citeh are a case in point. Makes a mockery of justice and a level playing field.

    I feel like there could be something coming soon around the 115, and that’s a big part of Pep’s exit.

    Hmm, could be.

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    Agree with a lot of the sentiments above about punishing the club, though the image of the spy photographer getting chased off then changing clothes before driving off in a cloud of dust made me chuckle and is pure Netflix.

    #320977
    Apollo11Apollo11
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    EFL Regulation 3.4: the duty for clubs to act towards each other with ‘utmost good faith’.

    I know the National League is not part of the EFL… but Wealdstone at GP last season.

    #320978
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    Well done to the EFL.
    The guy sent to do the spying did what he was told to do therefore he must keep his job.

    Who else will want a football spy now?

    #320985
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    Thing is it wasn’t a one-off. Apparently they”d done the same at Oxford and Ipswich.

    Word is that they dressed in Eastleigh training gear to spy on Ipswich when they were using Eastleigh’s training ground. If true then that’s pretty sinister stuff and they deserve to have the book thrown at them.

    #320986
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    I personally think the EFL should also ban the individuals involved from all football-related activity for six months. That would act as a significant deterrent and send a clear message that this kind of behaviour has real consequences. If the punishment is too light, people will just see it as worth the risk.

    #320987
    TheJuryeffsOutTheJuryeffsOut
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    They’ve cheated, got caught, hoped they’d get a paltry fine for admitting it but have been rightly hammered by the EFL. If they had any decency as a club they’d take their medicine and hide away but they’re still bleating about it and appealing.
    Karma is a bitch and Harwood-Bellis’s binoculars taunt to Ayling has condemned him to be an internet meme forever.

    #320988
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    Surely the club won t be able to just leave it there, resignations and sackings if need be starting at the top, just can’t see how the CEO can keep his job.
    And that being just for their own fans, a level of trust needs to be rebuilt.

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    The recently released statement by Phil Parsons, CE of Southampton. Entitled as fuck.

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    I personally think the EFL should also ban the individuals involved from all football-related activity for six months. That would act as a significant deterrent and send a clear message that this kind of behaviour has real consequences. If the punishment is too light, people will just see it as worth the risk.

    That’d be just about everybody at the club, though?

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    The recently released statement by Phil Parsons, CE of Southampton. Entitled as fuck.

    Entitled indeed. I actually started to feel some sympathy for Hull as Parsons statement reads like they were already promoted or at least would definitely beat Hull. Now I hear Hull are getting legal advice with a view to be given promotion without even playing the final !

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    They’ve cheated, got caught, hoped they’d get a paltry fine for admitting it but have been rightly hammered by the EFL. If they had any decency as a club they’d take their medicine and hide away but they’re still bleating about it and appealing.
    Karma is a bitch and Harwood-Bellis’s binoculars taunt to Ayling has condemned him to be an internet meme forever.

    Yes – the players binocular jibe showed that they knew what was happening, perhaps he should be suspended.

    Can you imagine what would have happened to a non – league club if they had done it to get into the league ?

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    Other than ” rules is rules” I see no issue,if they train in a public space it’s tough shit for me

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    Other than ” rules is rules” I see no issue,if they train in a public space it’s tough shit for me

    Tend to agree.

    #321011
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    I think the EFL are an absolute joke.

    If there was any consideration of removing Southampton from the play offs then the hearing should have been held before the play off semi final home and away legs… even if those matches needed to be pushed back!
    To allow the matches to be played and then sell tickets to the Southampton fans for a final is disgusting.

    Saying that, some of the Saints players actions during the games against Middlesborough (The ball boy not giving the ball back etc…) Added more bad feeling towards the club on the back of the spying.
    The whole thing is an absolute mess!!

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    The EFL hoped that Boro would win the semi final and the problem would go away. Now the EFL hope that Hull will win the final and it will mostly go away.

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