Carlisle

[Deereyme66]

‘Jones has done ok and looked good in flashes, but on the whole has been disappointing.’

I find him a frustrating watch. I admire his willingness to take players on and dribble but too often his runs are stalled by more wily defenders, end product often fails him and his shooting needs improving. Needs to look up more aswell – too often he’s watching the ball at his feet. Needs better coaching maybe?

[cassidystash]

Needs a run in an attacking role not p*****g about as a wing back. Ideally suited to left of a front 3 which is what he was brought in to do.

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[RoamingBull]

WonderGoals wrote:

Roaming was hypnotized from positivity Dave. No doubt he delieved we would have won every game so far this season.

Roaming, have you tossed his positivity band into the bin ?

WG it was you, you plum.
I stated next season will be more difficult!

I don’t do any of this positive shit as I’m in the black sheep camp.

As I stated I doubt we will see a runaway league like the two last season. But what we will see is a stronger top several teams jockeying for top spot.
And if you see my prediction over first 10 games 2 wins 3 drawers and 5 losses. Not exactly positive that is it?

We are reaping the rewards of having too many players through the door. Quantity over quality.
As an ex keeper our situation between the sticks is dire.
Last season was a sticking plaster as we witnessed 4 yes 4 sub standard goalkeepers.
Watched the goals yesterday from the weekend and 3 out of 4 were what we’d witnessed down at Ashby ville in the olden days. Comical

We’ve no spine in the team whatsoever.

A defender as our Manager yet our defence is worse than last year as it stands

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alcazar

[Rene Artois]

Maybe we need to forget about promotion.
Forget about the play offs.
Be content with being a mid table team this season?
If we don’t; we will be beating ourselves and the ‘players’ up week after week.

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iron64

[MK Iron]

Unless there is a significant and fairly rapid improvement we are going to be in a relegation battle.

It’s been quite a few seasons since we’ve done mid table mediocrity.

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[Iron-awe]

Rene Artois wrote:

Maybe we need to forget about promotion.
Forget about the play offs.
Be content with being a mid table team this season?
If we don’t; we will be beating ourselves and the ‘players’ up week after week.

Some like to beat the players up week after week even when they win, whatever we settle for won’t change that.

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Rene Artois

[MK Iron]

Like every other season we have to settle for what we get.
What we’ll get is whatever Butler and his boys can give us. Based on the last 60 odd years I’ll be there whatever and support the team fully while the effort is there. Haven’t seen any lack of effort yet this season.

I will come on here and give my opinions when I think we do the wrong things. In my view most of this seasons problems lie with the coaching team rather than the players. I don’t want Butler out. I just want him to make better decisions.

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[WonderGoals]

MK Iron wrote:

most of this seasons problems lie with the coaching team rather than the players.

These problems started in the off season with the shambolic recruitment. No amount of top coaching can solve that as they’ve been signed and they’re here. Only thing that can is movement in and out, or in our case out then in.

Case of moving a number of players out to replace them with players which actually make up a proper squad. All we have at the minute is a random collection of players.

The management needs a change too. Butler has seemingly gone as far as he can.

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alcazar

[Rene Artois]

Send a Scout to have a look at Rio Allan at Scarborough – 7 goals from 6 games as a RW.
The new CR10?

[MK Iron]

I do believe the coaching staff picked the players WG.

Unless you are or someone else wades in with a very large bucket of cash your wish for a mass changeover of coaching and playing staff is unlikely.

[Sanfran49]

WonderGoals wrote:

MK Iron wrote:

<p id=”geom_inter_1788420588218_41_41″>most of this seasons problems lie with the coaching team rather than the players.
</p>

These problems started in the off season with the shambolic recruitment. No amount of top coaching can solve that as they’ve been signed and they’re here. Only thing that can is movement in and out, or in our case out then in.

Case of moving a number of players out to replace them with players which actually make up a proper squad. All we have at the minute is a random collection of players.

The management needs a change too. Butler has seemingly gone as far as he can.

Who felt optimistic for the season after Maison Campbell was given a new contract ?

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RoamingBull, alcazar

[MK Iron]

Lewis Jones?

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cassidystash, Awaywego

[WonderGoals]

MK Iron wrote:

Unless you are or someone else wades in with a very large bucket of cash your wish for a mass changeover of coaching and playing staff is unlikely.

I don’t expect large buckets of cash. Hence the movement out then in. Harness stated that if it were to come about that we moved on from Butler and Schofield there are conditions written into their contracts which safeguard the club.

What they are inparticular nodboy knows, but apparently they are there. Changing thr squad will be heavily reliant on moving Ogle, Barrows, Smith, Jones/ Campbell and Jones/Hurst on.

Who would want any of them ?

[cassidystash]

To move any of those on so soon after signing them would confirm that Butler made mistakes in his recruitment. How likely is it that he will admit to that? We all know he’s made several errors as he doesn’t pick half of them.
BTW I think you’re being hash on Pat Jones who’s being asked to do a job for which he is totally unsuited..

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[alcazar]

Rene Artois wrote:

Maybe we need to forget about promotion.
Forget about the play offs.
Be content with being a mid table team this season?
If we don’t; we will be beating ourselves and the ‘players’ up week after week.

And we should settle for that, keep coming through the turnstiles, keep paying, week in week out?
And will it get better, next year, with the same clueless manager, and the same apparently non-ambitious directors?
Oh, I forgot, we’re supposed to be happy we still have a club.
🙄

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RoamingBull

[Awaywego]

Seems like we were mighty unlucky not to win against Carlisle, an xG of 4.48 normally sees you win.(Against Carlisle’s 3.93)

Evans wins 11 out of 12 Ariel duels, Barrow’s was a standout. Jones 8 saves from 12 shots.

And Their goalie basically played a blinder.

Would seem best to stick with Ironawe’s we’re gonna score more goals than you and all will be well.

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alcazar

[alcazar]

Sanfran49 wrote:

WonderGoals wrote:

MK Iron wrote:

<p id=”geom_inter_1788420588218_41_41″>most of this seasons problems lie with the coaching team rather than the players.
</p>

These problems started in the off season with the shambolic recruitment. No amount of top coaching can solve that as they’ve been signed and they’re here. Only thing that can is movement in and out, or in our case out then in.

Case of moving a number of players out to replace them with players which actually make up a proper squad. All we have at the minute is a random collection of players.

The management needs a change too. Butler has seemingly gone as far as he can.

Who felt optimistic for the season after Maison Campbell was given a new contract ?

Butler?
Schofield?
Michelle?

[MK Iron]

Awaywego wrote:

Seems like we were mighty unlucky not to win against Carlisle, an xG of 4.48 normally sees you win.(Against Carlisle’s 3.93)

Evans wins 11 out of 12 Ariel duels, Barrow’s was a standout. Jones 8 saves from 12 shots.

And Their goalie basically played a blinder.

Would seem best to stick with Ironawe’s we’re gonna score more goals than you and all will be well.

Obviously the game that I watched on Da Zone was an AI generated spoof.

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[Deereyme66]

I’ll be honest and say I didn’t think the performance I watched back on DAZN was as bad as a lot of the scathing criticism I saw on here and elsewhere. Ultimately it looked like we were simply outclassed in almost every department. But that was expected, surely? Defending was shocking of course and we could and should have conceded more, but we did create chances. Looked to me like games against opposition like Carlisle are going to be a tough watch, but we still ought to get results against the bottom half standard clubs. If that becomes the pattern, I can’t see the present coaching team going anywhere.

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Apollo11, alcazar

[Awaywego]

It was all about the defence Deerey,ya can piss teams off the park but if you can’t do the basic defending, 1 goal ya can get away with it, 3 and ya done for. Goalie performance poor defensive performance extremely poor. Where wasn’t it that bad.

Expected! Course not they had started pretty poorly just like us only one point in front of us till Saturday,
New manager who did it at Gateshead but an utter failure at Crawley, and they had Brad Nicholson in their team, expected no but understandable being Scunny.

[MK Iron]

The defence made 2 schoolboy errors.
They allowed a long ball from the keeper to run through unchallenged into a scoring position. You would get a bollocking for that in the lower reaches of Sunday League.

They also allowed attackers to take 20 yard pot shots without a hint of a challenge. This one they repeated 4 or 5 times.

Apart from those fundamentals we probably just about matched them.

At the heart of both of these issues was an “after you Claude” mentality which seemed to affect the back 5 (Evans apart) and Richards and Rowley.

Coaching/tactical issue but quite common at our level when teams play 5 at the back without being properly drilled and prepared to play it properly. Even at higher levels the same thing cost Amorim his job at Manure. The same players sure looked a lot better when they switched to a system they were comfortable with.

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[cassidystash]

MK Iron wrote:

The same players sure looked a lot better when they switched to a system they were comfortable with.

And that’s the answer in a nutshell, plain to all bar one. (or maybe 2)

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[alcazar]

Deereyme66 wrote:

I’ll be honest and say I didn’t think the performance I watched back on DAZN was as bad as a lot of the scathing criticism I saw on here and elsewhere. Ultimately it looked like we were simply outclassed in almost every department. But that was expected, surely? Defending was shocking of course and we could and should have conceded more, but we did create chances. Looked to me like games against opposition like Carlisle are going to be a tough watch, but we still ought to get results against the bottom half standard clubs. If that becomes the pattern, I can’t see the present coaching team going anywhere.

What was it Unlucky Alf used to say on The Fast Show?
D’oh, b*gger!

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RoamingBull

[Deereyme66]

Add another one now TSF has signed Alcy.

[Rene Artois]

MK Iron wrote:

The defence made 2 schoolboy errors.
They allowed a long ball from the keeper to run through unchallenged into a scoring position. You would get a bollocking for that in the lower reaches of Sunday League.

They also allowed attackers to take 20 yard pot shots without a hint of a challenge. This one they repeated 4 or 5 times.

Apart from those fundamentals we probably just about matched them.

At the heart of both of these issues was an “after you Claude” mentality which seemed to affect the back 5 (Evans apart) and Richards and Rowley.

Coaching/tactical issue but quite common at our level when teams play 5 at the back without being properly drilled and prepared to play it properly. Even at higher levels the same thing cost Amorim his job at Manure. The same players sure looked a lot better when they switched to a system they were comfortable with.

Would that be: 4-4-2?

[MK Iron]

It should have been 4-3-3 Rene as we have 5 or 6 wingers.

Hang on they all want to play on the left.

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[Apollo11]

Deereyme66 wrote:

I’ll be honest and say I didn’t think the performance I watched back on DAZN was as bad as a lot of the scathing criticism I saw on here and elsewhere. Ultimately it looked like we were simply outclassed in almost every department. But that was expected, surely? Defending was shocking of course and we could and should have conceded more, but we did create chances. Looked to me like games against opposition like Carlisle are going to be a tough watch, but we still ought to get results against the bottom half standard clubs. If that becomes the pattern, I can’t see the present coaching team going anywhere.

I was there, and I believe this is reasonable. Carlisle were better than us, but we had enough chances to have got a draw or, on a lucky and probably undeserving day, a win.

[WonderGoals]

cassidystash wrote:

you’re being hash on Pat Jones who’s being asked to do a job for which he is totally unsuited

I’m looking at it purely from a balance point of few of having two right sides wingers and two left sided. If say Brennan is seen as the main man for that side, why would we need both him and Jones competing for that side when Jones himself hasn’t been great.

I suppose we could move him on for a small fee and clear his wage and use that on another area of the squad, say a GK and keep Hurst who would be cheaper who would still off decent back up to Brennan.

Not saying Jones is useless, but just looking at the financial aspect.

[Rene Artois]

3-1-1-5 anyone?
[in possession / attack:]
1 RB – 2 CB – 3 LB
1 Screener [drops in as 2nd CB]
1 Central Mid
1 Outside RW / Outside RM – 2 Inside RW / Inside RM – 3 Centre Forward – 4 Inside LW / Inside LM – 5 Outside LW / Outside LM

Out of possession / defending;

4-5-1

Could we really push the envelope and play a back 3 of Right Backs?

Very tongue in cheek this formation… obviously:-)

[Iron-awe]

The only thing about moving Jones on is AB said when signing him he was a player he had wanted for a long while which probably means he thinks Jones is a player he intends to keep, if played in his best position I believe he could be a real gem but again we are back to what players fit what system and what does the manager believe is his best system to utilise the players potential?

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