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I posted this on the Southport Match Thread:
More of the same, really: As much as the manager and his coaches can do, some of Jimmy’s Mercanaries can turn up, loaf around and still get paid because nobody else can afford to or want to take them. Sad state of affairs but there we are!
And there lies a problem.
Damn those overpaid Jimmy & Hilton signings; Cal Robert’s, Danny Whitehall and Ross Fitz. Question though, Where in the league do you think we would be sitting without them? I despise ‘sir-four-names’ as much as the next chap, but there’s no hiding from the reality that the players signed during his tenure are carrying the team this season. When they depart this summer there will need to be a serious rethink in the recruitment dept, as the dynamic duo Turnbull and Butler, couldn’t spot a great white in a fish pond.
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We need tried and tested players for this league.
Bit ironic that players need to be ‘tried and tested’ but the manager steering the ship needn’t be.
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I’m saying give Butler time, in the main because he’s a relatively new manager and is still learning and developing.
Is he though? I don’t want a change of manager, I want him to learn and develop.
Good question. I think we’re yet to see any evidence that he’s learning (or even willing to learn). The warning signs have been there long enough (even back in August when we were getting results but putting in sub-par displays), but we’re yet to see any system change, adaptation or effective use of the squad / subs. Evidence so far points to the contrary, that he’s stubborn as an ox and sees no reason to change anything, he’s said as much in every interview.
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I’m not saying some supporters want us to fail, but some may take some consolation in saying ‘I told you so’ if we do. Put the blame at Butler’s door all you like (some are doing), he can’t stop players sideways passing and doing u turns on the half way line and the like. Radcliffe’s game plan worked, ours didn’t. Improvements needed. The time for a new Midfielder and Forward is pressing.
Alas, you didn’t hesitate to do the same on Tuesday night? Foolishly premature perhaps? As only one game later normal service resumes; Butlerball is back and we return to boring the arses off the home fans at GP.
I count 2.5 good performances (kiddy, farsley and 45 mins V Rushall) in 18 games. It’s going to take a string wins INCLUDING good performances for most to be convinced, not one game, however large the scoreline.
The backwards and sideways passing comes from having limited options up the field to pass to and reason for that is the formation. 5 at the back, no wingers etc so absolutely, thats on the manager.
One thing we can agree on is the need for new faces. But of the 7 Butler has so far brought in there’s not one that’s an improvement on what we already had. Why are we so sure that, when shopping in an even small pool (mid-season), he will be able to identify someone suitable?
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We are too busy defending as a team, to attack as a team. That usually only happens between minutes 50-70
In some divisions this would see us up in second or third spot, in this division it will ultimately mean failure, again.It is noticeable how every time we break it’s very hard, because there are few players further up to make forward passes to.
Absolutely. We can complain til we’re blue in the face about sideward and backwards passing, but if there’s nobody up the pitch to pass to then what are we good for? The formation is the problem, specifically the lack of wingers.
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Seems Halloween came late rather than early!
Don’t have nightmares. Woooooooo!
Plenty of nightmares tonight after today’s dreadful display I’m sure.
Farsley should have done some more homework, since it should have been easy to figure us out and Butler has little to no chance of turning it round. It shouldn’t take much to outwit a ‘simpleton’, after all.
Perhaps they were distracted with the off-field turmoil they find themselves in? Bottom of the league Radcliffe didn’t have too much bother sussing us today.
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Dismal result at home against a team sat in the relegation zone.
Even worse performance, arguably the worst so far this season (and that’s a tough gig!). Dreadful all over the pitch, sloppy in possession, offering nothing up front, hoofball resumed, baffling subs, much the same as majority of the season (barring the odd game here and there).
Maybe most worrying of all Butler’s post match bluster to Humberside. He’s ‘pleased’, thinks we’ve been ‘good away from home’ (3 losses and 2 draws in last 5 away) and the only excuse he can muster for our dreadful display is that ‘they are a good side’. Oh and not one to disappoint the crowd, he threw in a ‘we’re still top of the league’.
His interviews are becoming more than a tad embarrassing and tonight’s particularly mind-boggling spiel, has angered plenty of fans. Where is the incentive to turn up to the next match when the manager says on record that today’s performance was acceptable, sorry even more so ‘pleasing’? Crossing the line from ‘simple’ to ‘idiotic’ perhaps?
Top spot is Chorleys for the taking now. 2 games in hand and only 4 points needed from 6 to leap over us and on recent form it’s very possible (likely) we won’t see it again. Our inability to win a game on a Saturday, (i.e the only day our part-time counterparts haven’t put in a shift in their full time jobs pre-game) is inevitably going to cost us. As per Iron-stats :
The Iron’s form in games played on a Saturday:
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Their form in midweek games:
WWWWWWWWThe above was pre-Radcliffe so can another D to the Saturday form… mind blowing! Surely the only ‘edge’ to our game can’t just be that our opposition have done a hard days graft and our prima-Donna’s are well rested? If that’s all we’ve got in our toolbox we better hope for alot of frozen pitches and subsequently rearranged games over the winter months. We haven’t won a Saturday game since 17th August. We just can’t get promoted with form like that.
The only positive from today is that our very own forum Gestapo is a lot less chirpy this evening so there’s no handbags, fight picking and / or wielding of perceived ‘authority’ by threatening to delete posts and such like.
P.S. Lowest Saturday crowd so far this season, even after the emphatic win on Tuesday. The start of ‘The Butler effect’?
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Only Awaywego could turn a silk purse into a sows ear,
He’s not the only one with that ability, Butler’s giving it a good go.
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Improving a football team should be the same as with any other business. Hold onto your best performers, get rid of the under performers and replace them with better. In the case of SUFC that should apply to playing staff, management and all other aspects from media to catering and back of house processes.
The fact that only one of our summer recruits is making the cut (whether he even should be is debatable) says we’ve failed to recruit anyone better than we had last year, whilst losing both of our previous ‘player of the seasons’. It’s also looking probable that we’ve had a downgrade on the management front and the much hyped catering guy has already gone to pot. Bringing in new players is necessary if we are serious in our aim of promotion, but even more crucial is being able to identify the right players (and people) to bring in. This is something we’ve been lacking for years. Is this part of the role of a CEO? I’m not so sure. A decent recruitment chap would more than cover his own wages if he was able to identify talent and we could pick up a transfer fee here and there.
” We cannot sack them and only have so much budget, thankfully a few overpaid players left .
The most overpaid player in the squad is Cal Roberts, imagine the state of us this season without him? He’s carrying the team on his back. But don’t worry he will be off the wage bill in the summer and we’ve got our trusty recruitment strategy to ensure a suitable replacement.
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Worth a punt at those odds. Your insurance bets appear to be serving you well Rene.
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I think Butler is fully aware that his job could be at risk if he doesn’t gain promotion. However, if he does turn things round and his contract isn’t being extended, it could be a source for worry down the line which may affect him. I don’t think this is that hard to work out.
‘Down the line’ perhaps and in the (somewhat unlikely) event of him ‘turning things around’ then yes absolutely. If we were at end Jan / feb / March and sitting top of the league your reasoning would stand, but only 6 weeks after the start of the season and on the back of some very questionable results and even more questionable performances? Come on! If job security was going to be an issue why agree a one year contract in the first place? All we’ve done is ensure that, whilst his job is non-the-safer, he will pocket a chonk of pay off cash when we let him go. Cash that could otherwise have been used towards playing budget or a more suitable replacement. Exactly the same mistake as we made with Jimmy.
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Appointing Andy is proving to be a massive error, on the back of many other poor appointments!
The next one HAS GOT TO BE THE RIGHT ONE!!!
Spot on. We seem unable to recruit the right people both on and off the pitch. Our summer recruits have all barring one, failed to make the cut, and the only one who is making the team is the weakest link.
Off the field the catering chap was a major flop and has already been let go, whilst failing to appoint an experienced manager, to get us out of this dreadful league, is also proving to be a mistake. As was extending the current managers contract only 6 weeks into the season.
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Or it could be a means of placing trust in their manager and ensuring job security, so Butler’s thoughts aren’t distracted by his own future. Dean was let go after an extension, so this extension doesn’t mean we can’t get rid of Butler if he fails.
So what your saying is we gave him a new deal so he had ‘job security’ but in reality his job isn’t really secure as we can still get rid (and he knows that based on what happen with Dean) so really the whole exercise was pointless? Makes sense…
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