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  • #317846
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Why Do the club feed us lies.
    Quite obvious now with Dec been in their team today the loan spell was always a season long loan and not the month the club fed us. Not that I didn’t tell you mind.
    Alty fan was right after all Deerey, NI, never mind.
    They’re so thick even to keep the lie going,could just have put up a post saying he was staying like they did with Maison.
    Great club give us ya dosh and we’ll treat you like shite.

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Send via VoF for answers.

    #317871
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    You not liking someone and thinking every they say or do makes them liars doesn’t mean they have to answer questions about your nonsense

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    #317875
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    I’m not asking the club too answer questions they’d probably lie again!
    I’m just asking everyone else why do you think they lie to the fans, when it’s quite clear they have.
    Why do you think they do it 64.

    #317876
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    Lie again? I haven’t seen any lie,just you accusing them of lying and last I heard in Britain and accusation isn’t proof of anything

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    #317878
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    Official web page 6th February Howe goes to Alty for an initial month’s loan.

    Alty official web page 6th February Howe joins Alty on loan till end of season.

    With no more information forthcoming from either club one club has lied. What more proof do you need?

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    ‘Initial”

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    #317882
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    “Till the end of season”

    With no more information forthcoming from either club, “Doh”

    Ya know information just like they did with Maison on the owp, 6th February initial month’s loan, then on the 13th of March Maison has extended his loan till the end of season.

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    So because they’ve not updated you,you claim the initial monthly quote is a lie? Get over yourself.
    We’ve brought in better players too,so why are you still crying?

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    #317884
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    Far be it for me to accuse anyone of lying but Butler has answered this question more than once in his RH interviews with Ollie Turner. Certainly I have known, with no other source but those interviews, that Howe’s loan had been extended to the end of the season with the usual 24 hour recall clause.
    Don’t worry AWG, he’ll be available for the playoffs (not that I think Butler will pick him).
    For the avoidance of any doubt I like Dec Howe and think he’s had a rough deal continuously played out wide on the left, but Butler prefers Whitehall. It is a sad fact that Whitehall doesn’t suit a front 2. What we need is to replicate the Hooper/Hayes partnership.

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    #317887
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Didn’t need updating personally but they should let fans know once they start every club does it you know.
    I’ve been claiming they were lying from the 7th of February and ever since in numerous posts in numerous different threads.
    I’ve just had to wait for what I’ve said to come into fruition.
    Or maybe it’s just a coincidence in this instance lol.
    Your obviously “Thick” as in a derogatory term hey ho.

    #317917
    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    The club failing to be more transparent (or telling porkies being economical with the truth ) has been an issue for quite some time especially when it comes to financial dealings transfers and loans etc.. the owners and or PR department do come clean EVENTUALLY but in most cases fans are drip fed or treated like mushrooms UNLESS of course its when they need help donations sponsors etc then are like lightning out the blocks with all the gory details.

    Taking fans for granted which is as plain as day will at some point come back to bite them on the bottom but by then may well be in a different league with new owners and Butler managing in the EPL.

    AWG which pitch square did you buy ?? 55555555

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    #317918
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    How is not giving fans blow by blow details of business dealing “taking fans for granted”
    There maybe areas where fans are taken for granted but this isn’t one of them .

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    Went on an initial month loan. It worked out and both clubs have agreed he can stay till season end on a 24 hour recall. Only you creating a big drama out it awaywego. Mind boggles how you’re nitpicking about this but were prepared to let many of dodgy Dave’s howlers slide. You’re still defending him on other threads for goodness sake.

    #317974
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    No drama Deerey, Howe who’s Howe more than likely played his last game for the club we move on.
    The lying doesn’t the transparency doesn’t though does it unless you can show otherwise.
    I thought you and NI would have least come back on the York post where a good discussion on the Howe saga was had and your dismissing of the Alty fan.
    Now let’s see about honest Dave and his so called howlers, would that be the need for the ground to be taken from the owners of the club well that’s a big ✓ was it closing the academy to save the club money ✓ was it getting rid of so many non playing staff off the wage bill ✓ was it challenging the issue of over stewarding of games.
    Anyway nice to see that the word Dodgy is allowed again when it suits the mods.

    #317975
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    Didn’t he fail to pay Swann for the ground as agreed ?
    Didn’t he pull the plug and was prepared for the whole thing to collapse out of existence ?
    You see through a lot of stuff that happens and make so many good points but you’ve got a blind spot with Hilton that I don’t understand.

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    Dodgy Dave wouldn’t know how to be honest if he tried.

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    ‘Anyway nice to see that the word Dodgy is allowed again when it suits the mods’

    It really is that simple, even you should be able to understand. One Dave has a proven history of fraud, the other one doesn’t (or any history of being ‘dodgy’) so your accusations were baseless and removed. Get it?

    #317981
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    Did he attract players with generous, unsustainable contracts which he decided to stop paying leaving others to pick up the pieces?

    #317984
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    I suggested on here in the July of that year that Hilton should walked away with all the abuse he was getting, full well knowing the consequences that could happen if he did. What loyalty had he have or built up with the club, in the end he just said f ya a fair and reasonable action imo.

    And I’d hardly call not paying Swanny for the ground an howler most people on here didn’t want Swanny to receive a penny from the sale of ground or club many had stopped attending so not to give him a penny more.

    What the players like Whitehall and Roberts the players the new club owners still pay Cass.

    #317988
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    What the players like Whitehall and Roberts the players the new club owners still pay Cass.

    It was reported (and therefore must be true) that Whitehall & Roberts accepted reduced terms. Butterfield, Fitz & Maxi didn’t and moved on.

    #317989
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    Unfortunately, however much we might not have liked it, Swanns company was the legal owner of Glanford Park and anyone wanting it had to pay him money.
    Hilton didn’t pay and came up with all kinds of nonsense to justify himself. He didn’t just walk away either until £100k had been paid to him by Michelle Harness & co.
    As Cass says, Whitehall and Roberts accepted terms to stay and the other fantasy league signings went elsewhere.
    Not to mention the club are going to be out of pocket for honouring the 1500 club victims with season tickets and free entry to cup games etc.

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    #317996
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    That is true and it was grim that pointing it out had some call you a ‘Swann lover’. Swann was an idiotic ego, he should never have ripped the ground ownership from the club, but he had every right to money in a deal to acquire it. Dodgy Dave’s waffling excuses were an end to any credibility he was being honest (lawyers on twitter were saying his ransom strip excusecould be easily resolved), along with his excuses for his history with fraud and marketing scams, yet he carried on with the farce for his own benefit and maybe buying time with that court case.

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    Swanny writ £11.000.000 of debt off (and yes he racked up that debt) when taking the ground ownership out of the club.
    And I’m sure you’ll agree with with an extra £11.000.000 debt the club wouldn’t be in existence today, well without liquidation and a fresh start that is.
    Was a good unenforceable move in the end, and the club is better off for not having the ground ownership and is now in safe hands for the town forever.

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    Lies ,damned lies and whatever nonsense Awaywego spews.

    #318583
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    I think you will find that Swann did indeed “write off” £11M of debt. If we had still owned the ground and been that much on debt we would definitely have been wiped out (you could always up the Swanny!!)

    He could easily have refused to let us have the ground back and looked to have developed it. He didn’t.

    Whilst the man was a disaster for our club, I think it was down to stupidity and an unwillingness to listen to anyone that caused the problems. Unlike Hilton who was just an out and out chancer.

    We are so fortunate to have come through those years relatively unscathed compared to other clubs. We still have a team to support and a ground of our own.

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    #318585
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    And you was doing so well ironironiron until you mentioned Hilton.

    Just look at the revenue streams he’s brought and trying to bring in at Matlock. And we have a begging bowl and very little else, well ok a wreath making workshop and a medium night.

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    III is bang on. Swann was an idiotic ego, but wasn’t malicious in his motive of owning a club. Hilton was a crook. Very easy to not have a ‘begging bowl’ mentality when he had umpteen excuses for not paying those we owed money to, including Swann, and invoking mental health as to why he shouldn’t be expected to pay former players or non-playing staff what they deservedly had the right to.

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    #318605
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    And you was doing so well ironironiron until you mentioned Hilton.

    Just look at the revenue streams he’s brought and trying to bring in at Matlock. And we have a begging bowl and very little else, well ok a wreath making workshop and a medium night.

    Not sure what Hilton is doing now at Matlock is relevant to what he did when he owned us TBH.

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    And you was doing so well ironironiron until you mentioned Hilton.

    Just look at the revenue streams he’s brought and trying to bring in at Matlock. And we have a begging bowl and very little else, well ok a wreath making workshop and a medium night.

    Hilton may be doing good things at Matlock. I don’t know & I don’t care.

    What I do know is did SFA for Scunny.

    That’s what I am basing my views on.

    For once I agree with Deereyme”s post above.

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