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    Lord KitchenerLord Kitchener
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    I was just reading that both the Liverpool and Manchester United managers have stated that they won’t sign players who have not been COVID vaccinated.

    As we go into this transfer window, should The Iron be taking players vaccine status into consideration? I know the old adage of beggars cannot be choosers, but surely every professional involved in sport and or entertainment should have had the jabs by now.

    I believe that if every player, and every member of staff are triple vaccinated, then clubs will not have anywhere near as many cases.

    Apparently Bristol Rovers’ manager Joey Barton is moaning about the stance now being taken by many top clubs. He says he will definitely sign unvaccinated players. I find his attitude irresponsible, to say the very least.

    What would you have The Iron do this January? Would you want them to look into a potential signings vaccine status or not??

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    mkironMK Iron
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    I would like us to sign players that are fit and can play a bit of football.

    If they are triple jabbed that would be a bit of a bonus.

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    I await the comments of the anti-vaxxers with interest.

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    Lord KitchenerLord Kitchener
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    Antivaxxers indeed. The gift that keeps on giving…..

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    Bartoniron66Bartoniron66
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    Personally I think it is everyone duty to get vaccinated ! But we live in a democracy where people have the choice to not have the vaccine so we will have this situation its a difficult one.

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    Bartoniron66Bartoniron66
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    Bristol rovers actually playing a game would be a start! They last played on the 11th December.

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    Personally I think it is everyone duty to get vaccinated ! But we live in a democracy where people have the choice to not have the vaccine so we will have this situation its a difficult one.

    Terms and conditions apply. Check your contract.

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    I await the comments of the anti-vaxxers with interest.

    I’m not in the anti-vaxxer camp but I saw the other day that 80-85% of footballers who catch covid are jabbed but catch it anyway.

    Getting jabbed doesn’t stop you from catching it at all. Gibraltar not long back had a 100% of their population fully vaccinated and still had to endure a lockdown.

    Also a city in America “think Florida” not sure so don’t quote me on that, have had to scrap PCR testing due to the fact they can’t differentiate between covid19 and the common flu.

    All a bit of a mess !

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    It does make you wonder if a lot of people with just a cold are testing positive for covid

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    It does make you wonder if a lot of people with just a cold are testing positive for covid

    Would seem that way.

    Here’s a link

    https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

    PCR cannot tell the difference between flu and Covid.

    How many false flags have these fecking things detected ?

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    So why are so many games being cancelled?

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    I don’t know. PCR tests are clearly not accurate.

    The football players keep getting PCR tested and if the PCR test can’t really differentiate between strains of Flu and Covid, expect to see many more players out.

    All a bit farcical.

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    We must obey ALL Government instructions- if not you should find it hard to feed your family,go anywhere,or be part of society- we must realise they are doing it for our own good.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    Bill shut up. Nobody is calling for the world to fight against the establishment and all party and breath on each other for a laugh and a joke.

    All I’m saying is, that it’s a proven fact that PCR tests aren’t accurate.

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    The government want to control our lives and every aspect of our freedom! What better way than a manufactured scamdemic of colds dressed as ‘covid’! Coronaviruses cause colds!

    The jab has shown demonstrable impacts on player safety! Heart attacks on the pitch have sky rocketed since the vaccines started! We have seen Christian Eriksen have a heart attack soon after taking the vaccine, where heart issues are a known side effect! Then there was Charlie Wyke too! No-one wants to question why these players have had heart attacks when jabs are all the rage! It might disturb the plans of the libtard elite!

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    It does make you wonder if a lot of people with just a cold are testing positive for covid

    Would seem that way.

    Here’s a link

    https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

    PCR cannot tell the difference between flu and Covid.

    How many false flags have these fecking things detected ?

    Or we could dive in to the full story:

    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/pcr-test-recall-can-the-test-tell-the-difference-between-covid-19-and-the-flu

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    They’re also scrapping it in Queensland Australia now for oversees visitors. Not supposed to be very reliable.

    I suppose it’s like anything else, it depends who/what you choose believe.

    Do you believe in lab testing which has determined that they flag false readings with not being able to tell the difference between flu and covid or the fact they’re iron clad and work like a dream ?

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    You haven’t read that piece have you? You state that the issue was because they were mistaking covid for flu, when that link shows they weren’t doing that. Then you speak as if what you are saying has unquestionable merit.

    The visitors thing is key there. Queensland has removed the necessity for visitors because they say they want to use the stock on those experiencing symptoms, so they don’t run out. If they were canning them because of unreliability why would they want to use them on those who need to be tested the most?

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    you speak as if what you are saying has unquestionable merit.

    You’re explaining yourself there in that one comment.

    My source is more reliable and up to date and carries a lot more credence than your source where a Dr .Broadhurst say’s they’re brilliantly accurate.

    CDC out ranks this nebraska crap anyway. It’s already been mandated that they’re to be withdrew.

    Is Dr Broadhurst right and are the CDC all incompetent charlatans ?. No they’re not.

    I win.

    Bow down to me bloodyrubbish.

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    The source speaks of the same thing. It doesn’t say they were ever unreliable. The reasons for such are explained in the link I sent you. It says they are going for the multiplexed route, just as the link I shared.

    You don’t understand what the link you shared even means and are casting your own explanation on such.

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    The source speaks of the same thing, idiot.

    Is Dr Broadhurst right?

    Are the CDC all incompetent charlatans ?

    CDC carry more weight than DR Broadhurst out of pokey Nebraska. Whatever they say usually goes.

    A full team of scientists and doctors who have contributed to CDC coming to this conclusion are somehow incorrect.

    You do realise what your proposing is nonsensical ?

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    Why are you talking to me as if your source backs up your point? You have shared a source from the CDC saying that the PCR has been withdrawn in favour of a multiplexed one without any claims of accuracy being the reason. I have shared an article outlining that they did and gave reasons why.

    I don’t know why you expect me to exclaim you as correct when you are sharing no evidence in support of your claims. I will change my mind if I am given evidence to support your claim.

    A CDC report saying they are moving to multiplexed tests, with no specification of it being because of accuracy concerns, and saying Queensland have scrapped them for visitors, while they use them for those in need (and indeed specify stock concerns as the reason if you gooogle it) doesn’t convince.

    Specify the specific detailing that PCRs are inaccurate, because what you have shown doesn’t support it. You can go on about the CDC all you like, and there’s nothing invalid about that link, but it doesn’t say a thing about PCRs mistaking flu. It just says they want a multiplexied system which can give flu diagnoses as well. This doesn’t mean they were getting false results for flu before.

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    I don’t know. PCR tests are clearly not accurate.

    PCR tests are pretty accurate, as are LFTs.

    The problems are a) that the new Omicron variant is much more virulent compared to previous strains. b) that a person can be carrying the virus for several days before testing positive, and c) the symptoms are not as easy to recognise as before, being similar to the common cold (but definitely not flu).

    My personal experiences over the past ten days leads me to believe that if you are not testing then you could carry the Omicron variant without even knowing. But footballers ARE being tested, so obviously the virus is being picked up, and to fulfil medical recommendations they are having to self isolate, some with no ill effects whatsoever, others who will be poorly for a few days.

    Vaccinations WILL reduce the risks of both contracting Covid and passing it on to others. So being vaccinated should be seen as a benefit. I would have thought that most professional sportsmen and sportswomen would have taken up the vaccines, but they are of the age where scaremongering about the possible side effects may put them off.

    What I have noticed are some of the statements put out by clubs which go along the lines of … “due to positive Covid tests and injuries”.

    Are some sides using it as a convenient stalling mechanism to carry themselves through into the transfer window?

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    A CDC report saying they are moving to multiplexed tests, with no specification of it being because of accuracy concerns

    Read the link provided.

    CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.

    If PCR testing was so accurate and differentiated between covid and strains of flu, why would the CDC even suggest a change in how they test going forward ?

    This new more comprehensive method of testing they are proposing wouldn’t be more accurate than PCR tests would they by any chance ?

    KNOCKOUT
    “SALUTES THE CROWD”

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    I don’t know. PCR tests are clearly not accurate.

    PCR tests are pretty accurate, as are LFTs.

    The problems are a) that the new Omicron variant is much more virulent compared to previous strains. b) that a person can be carrying the virus for several days before testing positive, and c) the symptoms are not as easy to recognise as before, being similar to the common cold (but definitely not flu).

    My personal experiences over the past ten days leads me to believe that if you are not testing then you could carry the Omicron variant without even knowing. But footballers ARE being tested, so obviously the virus is being picked up, and to fulfil medical recommendations they are having to self isolate, some with no ill effects whatsoever, others who will be poorly for a few days.

    Vaccinations WILL reduce the risks of both contracting Covid and passing it on to others. So being vaccinated should be seen as a benefit. I would have thought that most professional sportsmen and sportswomen would have taken up the vaccines, but they are of the age where scaremongering about the possible side effects may put them off.

    What I have noticed are some of the statements put out by clubs which go along the lines of … “due to positive Covid tests and injuries”.

    Are some sides using it as a convenient stalling mechanism to carry themselves through into the transfer window?

    There may come a time when any ambitious players are stopped from playing until they are fully vaccinated. Not just to protect themselves, but also those they come into contact with.

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    …” Not just to protect themselves,but also those they come into contact with.”
    BUT the vaccinated are catching it and spreading it as well!!If they aren’t why are they wearing masks when vaccinated!!
    P.s. I fully support people who want to be vaccinated.

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    A CDC report saying they are moving to multiplexed tests, with no specification of it being because of accuracy concerns

    Read the link provided.

    CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.

    If PCR testing was so accurate and differentiated between covid and strains of flu, why would the CDC even suggest a change in how they test going forward ?

    This new more comprehensive method of testing they are proposing wouldn’t be more accurate than PCR tests would they by any chance ?

    KNOCKOUT
    “SALUTES THE CROWD”

    For Christ’s sake. I know it says this, but withdrawing the PCR test for one which covers flu as well does not mean it wasn’t differentiating between covid and flu before. This was why I supplied a second link which explains the reasoning. The reasoning being that they wanted an efficient simultaneous test for flu and covid, so people with symptoms can know if they have flu if they haven’t got covid. This is important, as flu hospitalises people too.

    The fact you have to extrapolate this interpretation shows that the link doesn’t back up your point and you have zero evidence for PCR tests being unreliable. I don’t know why you’re strutting around like a pigeon on a chess board. All you have demonstrated is a fallacious inference from the source you provided.

    These new tests will work the same way as before for detecting covid. The primary difference being that they have added detection of flu. If the source said that flu was being mixed up before it would have said so, but it doesn’t, so that is your own fault interpretation.

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