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  • #206158
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Although I clearly don’t have the wealth of experience of our 20 something y.o. chief scout here are some thoughts for your consideration.
    Is it worth going down to the South coast for players, surely we’re better off with players used to a Northernern lifestyle.
    Do our fishy friends have any players that are better than NL? I know Eastwood and Matete are loanees but they’ve both impressed, not Hanson though please!
    Hull, Donny and Lincoln will be looking to improve their squads, would not having to move house make us attractive for anybody with L1 experience and ability that they’re not keeping?
    Have Leeds, Forest, Sheff.Utd. etc any youngsters that would bring skill and youthful exuberance that we could develop over a season.
    Can we find a way to shift any of the duds contracted for another year?
    Are there any players from Hartlepool, Halifax & Chesterfield that might be disappointed not to make the EFL, and are good enough, that we can help achieve their ambition.

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    #206159
    anoldironanoldiron
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    That’s all a bit radical CT !
    At one time it was normal to have hand me downs from the Cods and Hull, but that was before agents.
    I suspect we recruit from an agents catalogue now without even seeing the player perform and that we only deal with one or two agents. I think we should be asking for our money back on some of the duds we bought this season.

    #206162
    mistertonmickmistertonmick
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    Matete is a non starter, Fleetwood value him at £800k, so surprising him being on loan at Grimsby.

    #206165
    DarrynStampGoalMachineDarrynStampGoalMachine
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    I imagine we’ll get a big list printed out of all out of contract national league and national league north/south players, stick it up on the wall and then chuck some darts at it.

    “I’ve hit 6 strikers again”

    “Ah well never mind sign them up”

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    #206180
    lesgeolesgeo
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    Loan players must meet criteria such as experienced or incur virtually no cost to us.
    Must have proven quality and no bad injury record. There must be no signing contracts which might force us to put the player concerned into the side irrespective of form. A get out clause in January.
    So if this means very few loanees, recent history suggests that might not be such a bad thing.

    Our own signings must: have no worrying injury record; they must be known to be players who care; players who are tough and know the division. At this point, I want real grafters more than anything else.

    If we ain’t pretty next season, in the greater scheme of things – that cannot matter. We have to consolidate. No more brushes with the NL.

    Ideally, we need a CB, two utility players, 2 CMs with presence and two forwards. If they have footballing skills – that would be rather nice but not essential. (Could we maybe bring in a tricky winger to make us all feel a bit better about what we are going to have to endure? – Probably not. Sigh.)

    Using the above criteria, injury records would have to preclude Clarke, Brown and the outside possibility of re-signing KVV.

    #206181
    IronaweIronawe
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    Les if you want players without footballing skills I feel you may be rewarded…

    #206184
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Some things don’t change in football, whoever we sign and however many experienced players the new budget allows, the spine of the team must be experienced, younger players can fill in the gaps and we have some good young players particularly at full back. We need to learn from previous mistakes of signing untried and tested players who have no or little league experience down the teams spine. I’m guessing squads will be universally smaller next season due to Covid and budget issues, so there will be a few old heads needing clubs like ours, not convinced with young Swann seeking them out we will be very successful in getting the right ones.

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    #206187
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    “Our own signings must: have no worrying injury record”

    Not an easy one les, Onariase came injured but seems to have been pretty much injury free prior to that. It seems that his body has found adjusting to league football difficult hence his stop/start season. As they say about all risky investments “Past performance is no guarantee for the future”
    Your opinions and suggestions are sound, will anybody take any notice?

    #206190
    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    If they have footballing skills – that would be rather nice but not essential.

    If they don’t have footballing skills, how the hell have they made it up through the academies and youth teams. We’ve released young players with greater skill levels than some we have under contract now! I play on. Sunday evening with guys who have a better first touch than Loft, and retain the ball better than Hippolyte.

    Football agents are like the stereotype used car dealers. “Got a lovely little runner here. Only 25,000 miles on the clock and four new tyres”. I bet young Swann just takes it for a quick test drive without even looking under the bonnet or checking for rust! That or takes the modern approach and buys online having just seen a two minute video clip.

    Might as well set up a “Vinted” type website for clubs who want to get rid of/buy players.

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    #206195
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    Your bang on NI, that’s how our recruitment must have been done, agent spin and a quick promo video
    ,and I suspect the analogy of a spiv car salesman if pretty accurate

    #206196
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Are they putting players on Ebay yet?

    #206198
    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    Kenan Dunwald-Turan – 4 days 5 hours left. Bids 0.

    #206202
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    To paraphrase Blackadder “I am surprised, I didn’t realise our recruitment had a strategy”.

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    #206204
    lesgeolesgeo
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    Sigh. Obviously, players cannot be skills-free. I really did not think that people on here would get so very super-literal.

    Clearly, there are basic levels of competency: trapping the ball, accuracy in passing, not gifting possession, grit, determination and a little vision.
    Anyone two players like that in the first team might have seen us into the top half this season. They do not need to be world-beaters.
    For me, the very worst thing about this last year has been the loss of possession through unforced errors.
    Most other ills – of which there have been more than a few – stem from that.

    #206224
    PaulSanfran49
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    It has got that bad they have been checking the lists again. The reason was after a ‘planning’ meeting when someone said – any ideas. They checked notes and someone had written D I T T O.

    They are trying to find out who is the agent for D I T T O !!

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    #206226
    mistertonmickmistertonmick
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    Things went downhill after the defeat to Rotherham in the playoffs, it would have been interesting to know what we would have done if we had got promoted that season, we probably wouldn’t have sold Townsend, Wallace and Holmes etc, so apart from the extra revenue would we still have thrown the towel in because we did that summer and UTI99 has kept dropping the budget since.

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    #206227
    mistertonmickmistertonmick
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    It’s OK having a Summer like last season and get rid of the high earners and replace them with lower non league players, but what do they gain when you have to sign quality players in January to get us out of trouble.

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    #206228
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Players holding out for a new contract on an equivalent wage in August will be cheaper in January. Covid will have had a major impact on available funds in most L1 & L2 and some Championship clubs and the players will have to tell their agents to be realistic or end up being unemployed.

    #206230
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    The club owner has a strategy ! Really – he does !!

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    #206231
    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    if we had got promoted that season, we probably wouldn’t have sold Townsend, Wallace and Holmes

    Had we got promoted I reckon we’d have had a good chance of getting Ivan Toney on a permanent.

    30 goals for Brentford this season and most likely off to the PL for top dollar.

    Who’d have thought eh?

    #206235
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    Why would Toney want to join us?. He must have known he wasn’t well liked here.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Why would Toney want to join us?. He must have known he wasn’t well liked here.

    Evidence? A few dick heads behind the Donny Rd End don’t constitute a majority dislike from the Iron faithful, he was head strong and arrogant at times but a lot of good players are. He’s a good player and goalscorer who I believe did a good job for us when he was here.

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    #206241
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    He was an excellent player for us shame alot didn’t think so, also the penalty incident didn’t help him, people never forgave him and got abuse the rest of the season especially at Wimbledon, maybe he upset the dynamics of the team the year before in his first loan spell when were flying?

    #206243
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Once again Awaywego you provide an opinion which you are perfectly entitled to do about Toney and yes people remember the penalty incident, me included but you don’t provide evidence of a lot of people disliking him as a result it’s just your point of view. Don’t confuse opinion with stating ” people disliking him ” which sounds like a lot of people, whereas it was probably just a few numpties after a few beers shouting stuff out at him. Difficult being subjective during a match after a few beers observing the game, rather than next day when you have time to reflect a players contribution over the game or indeed the season. Put it this way if we were offered a 20+ goals a season striker in the summer with a bit of an attitude at times, would we turn him down?

    #206246
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    ” Put it this way if we were offered a 20+ goals a season striker in the summer with a bit of an attitude at times, would we turn him down?”

    Not much chance of that I-a. 20+ strikers from NL North & South will be a 6 figure purchase, well beyond our revised budget and any OOC from the EFL will demand a salary beyond our means. That’s why we got Mooney, Jarvis & KDT last time, they won’t get 20 league goals between them in their combined careers.

    #206247
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    Awaywego thinks Iron supporters are the worst in the country. In his mind all Scunny fans hate all of the players!

    As I said at the time of the penalty incident, I’d rather see a player fighting to take a penalty than one who dodges the responsibility.

    And as for not wanting to stay here, I seem to recall his family coming down to watch him and when interviewed his mother said how much he was enjoying his time here.

    Once again, following on from those three seasons near the top of L1 we had built up a reputation for developing quality players. That’s why we attracted loanees like Toney, Crooks and Yates. Now we’ve sunk to the depths it’s the likes of George Miller and Tyler Cordner.

    If anything the recruitment strategy has to be better than it was four years ago.

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    #206251
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    Could have given you evidence if we hadn’t lost the archive on here Ironawe and that’s hardly my fault, not all fans or all players NI but enough to persuade someone from staying maybe, What would you have done if you were Wootton after walking past Scunny fans at Macclesfield would you have wanted to stay, don’t get me wrong it was totally Hurst fault he could have waited till Wootton was nearer the dugout before subbing him, anyone that day would have got that abuse you were there NI. As a team that day they deserved abuse but not to single out individuals. That’s what I see.

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    Clearly, there are basic levels of competency: trapping the ball, accuracy in passing, not gifting possession, grit, determination and a little vision.

    This seems to be a word for word opposite of the criteria we have been using.

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