Iron Army Hartlepool vlog

[Awaywego]

Not that people have moved on more we’ve got older.
Always a younger element back in the day as today, part of growing up and enjoying themselves and I’m certainly not going to give them an hard time about it.
Imo it’s like with ex smokers they tend to complain more about smoking even though they used to do it themselves, people tend to get self righteous as they get older but I won’t have it.

[saleiron]

I don’t recall hearing that chant on our terraces? You seem to be attributing wider views to me based on my position on an unrelated matter.

billpuntonsghost wrote:

racist groups?You don’t seem to have any problem with openly racist groups who chant “from the river to the sea” ,do you saleiron?

[billpuntonsghost]

We don’t have to be an “Einstein” to understand your political position .
I openly declare I am a “born again” Christian ,therefore receive hostility from non- believers ( not neutrality). You have an agenda which is Marxist in its worldview. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[saleiron]

I didn’t think it was necessary to complete a declaration of interests to post on here? I would say my world view is left leaning, republican by instinct, but I have no political affiliation. Hope that helps, but it is irrelevant to my post. I don’t like racism, but I have no other agenda.

billpuntonsghost wrote:

We don’t have to be an “Einstein” to understand your political position .
I openly declare I am a “born again” Christian ,therefore receive hostility from non- believers ( not neutrality). You have an agenda which is Marxist in its worldview. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[Deereyme66]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

We don’t have to be an “Einstein” to understand your political position .
I openly declare I am a “born again” Christian ,therefore receive hostility from non- believers ( not neutrality). You have an agenda which is Marxist in its worldview. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nothing in your post above is related to the topic in question bpg. It’s simply an opportunity to get personal and set up a propaganda trip.

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saleiron

[TwoWrights]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

We don’t have to be an “Einstein” to understand your political position .
I openly declare I am a “born again”* Christian ,therefore receive hostility from non- believers ( not neutrality). You have an agenda which is Marxist in its worldview. Correct me if I’m wrong.

* Incorrect spelling of ‘brain washed’.

[Xxx]

Deereyme66 wrote:

billpuntonsghost wrote:

We don’t have to be an “Einstein” to understand your political position .
I openly declare I am a “born again” Christian ,therefore receive hostility from non- believers ( not neutrality). You have an agenda which is Marxist in its worldview. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nothing in your post above is related to the topic in question bpg. It’s simply an opportunity to get personal and set up a propaganda trip.

Why don’t you delete it then ps this is load of rubbish i cannot believe people get so upset

[Xxx]

And starmer is not very popular

[MK Iron]

It’s a pain when your team keeps winning and you have to find some random sh1te to fall out over.

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Northumbiron

[Xxx]

Nothing changes you have to laugh l have been doing for years

[Deereyme66]

What? Not using any punctuation whatsoever?

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Siderite

[saleiron]

Sadly, the offending chant was repeated last night in the first half. What was particularly concerning is that the drummer was acting as conductor. If I am not mistaken, he is one of the fans selected by the club as a Voice of the Fans rep. I think he also features in a promotional film for this seasons’s kit. If there is another drummer, then I stand corrected. Otherwise, the club really should disassociate itself from this behaviour.

Now, I am not naive enough not to realise that much worse is heard on the DRE. However, given the circumstances, this particular instance should not be ignored.

saleiron wrote:

I posted about this in response to the latest (Hartlepool) match vlog posting on the fans’ FB group. (I rarely post there). As it has been removed, I am repeating the post here. I think it’s an important issue, but the other place seems to want to sweep the issue under the carpet. See below.

“Disappointing that a chant that is most associated with the likes of Tommy Robinson supporters and Britain First was not only heard but also left in the edited version.”

[sufc_not_on_tour]

saleiron wrote:

Sadly, the offending chant was repeated last night in the first half. What was particularly concerning is that the drummer was acting as conductor. If I am not mistaken, he is one of the fans selected by the club as a Voice of the Fans rep. I think he also features in a promotional film for this seasons’s kit. If there is another drummer, then I stand corrected. Otherwise, the club really should disassociate itself from this behaviour.

Now, I am not naive enough not to realise that much worse is heard on the DRE. However, given the circumstances, this particular instance should not be ignored.

saleiron wrote:

I posted about this in response to the latest (Hartlepool) match vlog posting on the fans’ FB group. (I rarely post there). As it has been removed, I am repeating the post here. I think it’s an important issue, but the other place seems to want to sweep the issue under the carpet. See below.

“Disappointing that a chant that is most associated with the likes of Tommy Robinson supporters and Britain First was not only heard but also left in the edited version.”

Haha, brilliant.

[Awaywego]

Why not contact Ryan and discuss or with the club for that matter.
Ryan or other voice questions.
voice@scunthorpe-united.co.uk

[RoamingBull]

I Did hear what I’m thinking SI is on about.

To be honest I can’t find myself getting wound up on such things in life.

Didn’t see/hear any uproar about it neither.

[saleiron]

Thank you. I did consider this, though I don’t think it is my role to pick this up with the fans involved. I would hope that the club could comment on the matter and speak with the drummer as someone appointed by them as a fans rep. I am not sure I would have confidence in the wider VoF reps to deal with the matter appropriately if they have taken no action to date.

For those who think this is a trivial matter and/or agree with the sentiment, that’s your prerogative. I support free speech within the parameters of the law. So, if they want to use that particular chant, go and join others at BF or Tommy Robinson rallies. But let’s remember that the the club has a stated commitment “to promote inclusion and to confront and eliminate discrimination whether by reason of age, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation, marital status or civil partnership race, nationality, ethnicity (race), religion or belief, ability or disability, pregnancy and maternity and to encourage equal opportunities.” For me, this chant is not within the spirit or letter of that policy statement.

Awaywego wrote:

Why not contact Ryan and discuss or with the club for that matter.
Ryan or other voice questions.
voice@scunthorpe-united.co.uk

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Gurnelista

[Awaywego]

Moan moan f ING moan grow some balls and address your issue.

First they came. poem by pastor Neomoller.

[Northumbiron]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

We don’t have to be an “Einstein” to understand your political position .
I openly declare I am a “born again” Christian ,therefore receive hostility from non- believers ( not neutrality). You have an agenda which is Marxist in its worldview. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Ah, Einstein. That well known Atheist!

[Gurnelista]

C’mon AWG, how would you feel if the stand was full of aggressive young men singing, to the tune of ‘Rule Britannia’, something like:

You old b@stards, just f-off and die,
Just like a dry turd falling in the riv-er-side
Etc.

And as they did so, maybe people pointed and looked at you, and laughed, and then the drummer joined in to encourage them.

I expect you wouldn’t feel too good, especially after paying decent money for a nice day out, maybe with the grandkids in tow, who’d start asking you questions about it.

That’s what it’s like for those who feel threatened by Tommy-ten-names, not just those in the stands, but those lads playing for the Iron, ffs. And there’s nothing they can do about it.

But in the spirit of goodwill and balance which forever characterizes our happy crew, here is a truly heartwarming moment amid all the AI stuff of bears, babies, Jagger, etc. which shows there are good people who care, and as AWG’s might say, ‘have grown a pair’.

Happy New Year!

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1167058318873877

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saleiron

[Gurnelista]

PS – I am reliably informed that the lyrics above may be more suited to the song ‘We shall not be moved’ than ‘Rule Britannia’…

[BigLeftToe]

So just to confirm my understanding, if you dislike the current government, particularly the Prime Minister, think he’s a bit of a w*nker and join in with a chant to that matter, then you are automatically associated with Britain First and are a Tommy Robinson fanboy?

Can someone confirm please?

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sufc_not_on_tour

[Awaywego]

But the stand isn’t full of aggressive young men, it’s Ryan we’re talking about with the drum one the nicest young man you’ll come across.
Start lecturing him and your more likely to have the old bastard’s on your back who stand directly in front of him than any of the youth. And that’s only because they know him from home and away games.

[saleiron]

You know full well the sort of groups and people who favour this chant. So, yes.

BigLeftToe wrote:

So just to confirm my understanding, if you dislike the current government, particularly the Prime Minister, think he’s a bit of a w*nker and join in with a chant to that matter, then you are automatically associated with Britain First and are a Tommy Robinson fanboy?

Can someone confirm please?

[saleiron]

So what if someone explained to him politely and calmly? Then what? I can only assume he doesn’t understand or appreciate the connotations. I don’t know him, though I doubt he personally has any malign intent.

Awaywego wrote:

But the stand isn’t full of aggressive young men, it’s Ryan we’re talking about with the drum one the nicest young man you’ll come across.
Start lecturing him and your more likely to have the old bastard’s on your back who stand directly in front of him than any of the youth. And that’s only because they know him from home and away games.

[BigLeftToe]

Ok, thanks for confirming. Bit out of touch with reality me thinks. Our current Prime Minister is so disliked that even an impression of him was booed vociferously at the bloody Royal Variety Performance! Guess everyone in that crowd was a member of Britain First and a Tommy Robinson fanboy too.

[saleiron]

I am not a fan of the current PM and have no political affiliation. I am very much aware of when and where this chant has been most routinely used. There is a world of difference between a PM being unpopular and drawing criticism, and this chant, which has developed very clear far right associations over the last 12 months. To paraphrase an old saying, not all who chant it are racist, but all racists support the chant.

BigLeftToe wrote:

Ok, thanks for confirming. Bit out of touch with reality me thinks. Our current Prime Minister is so disliked that even an impression of him was booed vociferously at the bloody Royal Variety Performance! Guess everyone in that crowd was a member of Britain First and a Tommy Robinson fanboy too.

[Xxx]

What a bunch of

[Iron-awe]

Xxx wrote:

What a bunch of

….bananas,coconuts,fives? Happy New Year everybody

[CMC]

Some good news to start the year, those who clean the ground up won a Award from the BBC

[Awaywego]

Just in case you’ve missed it Saleiron the voice of the fans are going to be in one of the huts on Saturday for people to engage with wink, wink, nudge, nudge, your chairman is encouraging fan engagement don’t go against her wishes.
You’ve obviously got a chip on your shoulder relieve yourself self of it you never know you might feel better for it.

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