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  • #320654
    saleironsaleiron
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    I see the club is one again seeking help -in the form of free labour and materials from tradespeople as well as volunteers- to do work on improving the stadium. I must admit I feel uncomfortable that we continue to seek help in this way. It felt appropriate when the club was on the brink, but is this normal for a professional set up? I know that money saved goes into the playing budget, but the optics are not good imo.

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    #320655
    alcazaralcazar
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    In two minds.
    No, it’s a definitely NOT a good look.
    But… given the non-tranparancy surrounding remaining, outstanding debt, and the financial inputs of the directors, is it necessary?
    Who knows?
    🙄🤔🤐🤨😵‍💫🫩

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    #320657
    PaulSanfran49
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    In these days of survival you do what you have to do.

    In light of Rachel Reeves employment taxes and the increases in Minimum Wage it will hit hard. I read where someone with 5 fulltime employees needed to raise an extra £29,000 for the year. So if it helps good.

    #320658
    saleironsaleiron
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    That’s a specious argument, given that we seem to be seeking help from small businesses most adversely impacted by those measures. I think it’s fine for grass roots and fan owned clubs, but doesn’t feel right for a professional and privately run club.

    Let’s hope that those coming forward get free advertising in return. I don’t think we have sponsors for the paper towels and bog rolls.

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    #320663
    BigLeftToeBigLeftToe
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    It does feel a bit tinpot, but if the volunteers/tradies are happy to do it and they get something out of it then I don’t see the harm in asking.

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    Dubai fanDubai fan
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    Wake up guys. I bet if A premier league club asked for help there would lineup of volunteers. Get behind the club, stop whinging start volunteering in your community club. You may enjoy it

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    #320666
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Yes let’s, then in the next breath let the club shit on fans when dealing with ticketing issues.
    3 times alone on that subject the club have been found wanting, it’s just a one way street with them.

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    alcazaralcazar
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    Wake up guys. I bet if A premier league club asked for help there would lineup of volunteers. Get behind the club, stop whinging start volunteering in your community club. You may enjoy it

    Says a guy working/living in Dubai.
    Pay much tax, dude?

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    #320669
    Dubai fanDubai fan
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    It’s not about me it’s about volunteering if you are able and wish to do so

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    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    Yes let’s, then in the next breath let the club shit on fans when dealing with ticketing issues.
    3 times alone on that subject the club have been found wanting, it’s just a one way street with them.

    As ever AWG nails it “a one way street” pretty much sums it up.

    The begging bowl tagged as DIY SOS is here again and like previous comments suggest it does IMO give off a bad vibe, it seems when the club need fan support wether donations materials or time the posts are rapidly written and delivered whilst fans politely requesting updates are for the most part kept in the dark.
    ** That said if locals and /or their businesses are happy to assist them well done, i personally ceased sending donations as there was no real clarity as to where the funds would be spent.I was happy to help when paying players wages etc in the dark days of Hilton but since then it appears the likes of the Unity group etc just decide how n when to spend funds and Xmas Easter parties are not high on my list of importance…Talk of money chucked in for away travel also comes to mind IF TRUE.

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    <p id=”geom_inter_1778573355612_10_14″>Wake up guys. I bet if A premier league club asked for help there would lineup of volunteers. Get behind the club, stop whinging start volunteering in your community club. You may enjoy it

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    Community club when it suits…

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    #320689
    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    And you can volunteer/donate when and if it suits,

    This is not a mandatory Iron Tax like some seem to think!

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    #320691
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Sufc is not a charity either we’re supposed to be a professional football club not some two bit amateur Dog and duck outfit, what other businesses ask for freebies or want people to work for nothing.

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    #320693
    NorthWestIronNorthWestIron
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    Wake up guys. I bet if A premier league club asked for help there would lineup of volunteers. Get behind the club, stop whinging start volunteering in your community club. You may enjoy it

    Get on a plane then, tax dodger.

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    #320700
    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    Sufc is not a charity either we’re supposed to be a professional football club not some two bit amateur Dog and duck outfit, what other businesses ask for freebies or want people to work for nothing.

    I’ve spent the whole morning with people who work for nothing.

    This country would grind to a halt if it weren’t for volunteers.

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    #320703
    saleironsaleiron
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    I don’t disagree. Charities and many public services could not function without volunteers. It’s also great citizenship. (These are not businesses).

    Seeking and using them in privately owned organisations is a different matter imo. The worst examples are those profit making businesses that use unpaid interns and work experience students as substitute labour. I am not putting the club in this category btw.

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    Will they be asking for a Volunteer groundsperson after the job has been re-advertised again?

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    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    The only volunteers a professional club should be asking for is, in the old days to remove snow from the pitch and in today’s world remove the covers and even then clubs normally give free admission to those who helped.

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    #320709
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    The need for a reliable extra income stream becomes more obvious with every volunteer request by the club, our current board have done a great job with the limited funds they possess.

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    #320710
    saleironsaleiron
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    Agreed. If we are not sustainable we need a different model.

    The need for a reliable extra income stream becomes more obvious with every volunteer request by the club, our current board have done a great job with the limited funds they possess.

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    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    The sustainable level is probably Northern premier league football, maybe even lower.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    The sustainable level is probably Northern premier league football, maybe even lower.

    Which if true proves just how many unsustainable clubs are being funded out of rich people’s pockets.

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    TwoWrightsTwoWrights
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    Sufc is not a charity either we’re supposed to be a professional football club not some two bit amateur Dog and duck outfit, what other businesses ask for freebies or want people to work for nothing.

    Sunderland AFC, the last time they replaced their red gone pink in the sun seats, the fans did the job.

    #320715
    saleironsaleiron
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    I think it’s fine to seek and secure labour, materials and funds from fans during particularly difficult times, but it isn’t sustainable long term. Sponsorship is different of course as is contributing to gain a collective say in the running of the club in a fan owned model.

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    fans6464
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    I think it’s fine to seek and secure labour, materials and funds from fans during particularly difficult times, but it isn’t sustainable long term. Sponsorship is different of course as is contributing to gain a collective say in the running of the club in a fan owned model.

    I have to disagree slightly, I’m all for it as it helps keeps GP looking good and keeps the cost base down .
    Where I diverge from the model is the fact this this sort of philanthropy will easily surpass the actual investment by some of the directors and I don’t mean loans .I genuinely believe there’s a reason that the trust is being circumvented as their stated aim is basically a quid pro quo .

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    I think it’s fine to seek and secure labour, materials and funds from fans during particularly difficult times, but it isn’t sustainable long term. Sponsorship is different of course as is contributing to gain a collective say in the running of the club in a fan owned model.

    Generally agree but I’d also question, what is really sustainable? Sponsorships need sourcing and renewing, new investors are only as sustainable as long as they’re interested and around. Volunteer and gift in kind support is perhaps more sustainable, if the good will continues. Just playing devil’s advocate.

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    alcazaralcazar
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    Whilst I agree with the above in principle, the goodwill currently appears to be one way.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    The good will in general. They still show plenty of appreciation to individual and company volunteers, unless I’m mistaken?

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    #320767
    IronaweIronawe
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    It’s a tricky one, I don’t like the constant begging bowl because it just cheapens the product and could have an impact on business sponsorship. There will always be room for fan support but some of the tat that comes out of the club for sale and some of the things they ask for goes too far. I think about that young boys family who didn’t get a birthday shout out because they wanted £20 out of him.

    However the club might be desperate for every pound and penny, I think they need a commercial department who knows more about this stuff rather than putting a price tag/sponsorship deal on anything that doesn’t move.

    #320779
    quickpassstandneil
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    I personally have volunteered for the club this season and it’s been a fantastic experience. I’ve met new people, felt appreciated by the club and board members have gone out of their way to personally thank me when the have noticed me helping. When the club was struggling, I didn’t have the opportunity to have an influence but I’m grateful for some of the people who quietly went about their business and helped the club using their skills. I see my volunteering as an opportunity and privilege to quietly help out now.

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