Curzon lose

[IronIronIron]

@ home to Kidderminster: 0-1

[Siderite]

Good stuff. Hopefully this can be some motivation now.

[mistertonmick]

All the top teams have lost this midweek

[Iron414]

Unbelievable set of results from last night and now this to add tonight. Curzon going to bottle it?

[Deereyme66]

Yep Mick. But apparently, for some, only we are doomed. Funny old game innit. Let’s not forget Curzon’s player budget is a reported £0.5m due to investors. Ours is massively reduced this season with some high earners due to the burger flipper’s fraudster pal. Plus the Board is still paying off the debt. So in that context we ain’t doing so bad.

[Iron-awe]

mistertonmick wrote:

All the top teams have lost this midweek

Who would have thunk it eh but that’s football for ya and why we love the game so much.

[WonderGoals]

Still got two games in hand though. Buxton also coming up on Saturday have just started to hit some form.

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Sanfran49

[ironfromafar]

WonderGoals wrote:

Still got two games in hand though. Buxton also coming up on Saturday have just started to hit some form.

and we know how Buxton will play ALA Radcliffe …. 3 times last season they out played us arguably with the Iron in a better place performance /style wise and better players than we currently have

Saturday wont be pretty .. stop start , time wasting unless we score early (but normally allow the opposition back in soon after).. probably another dodgy ref and light on entertaining flowing football.

[WonderGoals]

Buxton were awful to play against last season. Not looking forward to this one as I know what to expect. Horrible, but very effective team.

[Deereyme66]

Exactly. Did Radcliffe get tips from them? This is why I get frustrated with the more extreme doom and gloom and Butler Out stuff. It’s not an easy league, teams can set up to do a job on us etc. just because we’re FT doesn’t necessarily give us a huge advantage in specific games the opposition treats like a cup tie. Yes, there are issues in the squad that need to be addressed but I’m not subscribing to becoming Sackthorpe again. The cons outweigh the pros IMO. That doesn’t mean I’ve got a shrine to Butler, but he can learn and needs our support at this stage I believe.

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Just Iron

[ironking]

Butler does need to learn, but there are no signs that he is.

I haven’t spoken to a single fan who likes the team set up, and the fact that we play it very badly.

Now we are reliant on other teams losing to remain top, and some are worrying about the threat Buxton pose with their ‘game play’.

Sorry, but if we have an attacking style which is relentless and are on the front foot from the onset. Teams will be worrying about us, not the other way round.

Up the Iron

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[Deereyme66]

The problem is, as said numerous times, we don’t have the squad depth or quality to change formation too much without reinforcements. Even if we had, some still won’t give Butler any latitude.

[ironking]

FITZSIMMONS

KOOGAN. EVANS. NICOLSON

BARROWS. DENTON
CLUNAN

(ROBERTS) (ROBERTS). (ROBERTS)

WHITEHALL

This is what I can see every game, where it goes wrong for me is structure in Midfield when Roberts (easily this season’s best player) in a free role moves from the right hand side.

The rest of the midfield then becomes lost and ineffective.

That’s why I am an advocate of 4-4-2 with Roberts up-front alongside Whitehall. Or Roberts right hand side of midfield and Carlton up top.

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Deereyme66

[lesgeo]

Evidence that the football is simply way below par must start seeping into AB’s consciousness very, very soon or he is doomed. (I tell you!)

[Sanfran49]

WonderGoals wrote:

Still got two games in hand though. Buxton also coming up on Saturday have just started to hit some form.

This will be the tester.

[Just Iron]

Brogan knocking on the door?

[cassidystash]

I hear him knocking but he can’t come in! Butler can’t hear him.

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Just Iron

[WonderGoals]

Deereyme66 wrote:

The problem is, as said numerous times, we don’t have the squad depth or quality to change formation too much without reinforcements

Blame butler as we have a total of 7 central midfielders on the books in a tight squad of players. nobody put a gun to his head and told him to put a squad together exclusively to play this formation. That’s on him.

You can’t say it’s not his fault when it was him who assembled the squad. 7 central midfielders is a joke in any squad at this level, but one of this size ?

Butler knew what he was doing and knew he had very few wide players, but went his chosen path and backed himself into a corner. No excuse as he could have easily have signed a few wide players and alternated between 442 and 433, but he went his own route and well and truly fecked it.

Thanks to Butler now we’ll have to get another manager in who’s going to have to deal and deal best they can to sort the squad out. I will however stress it wasn’t his fault he was offered that extension which was crazy to say the least.

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Awaywego

[MK Iron]

Fitz
Barrows Kouogan Evans (Boyce) Denton
Roberts Shrimpton Beestin Brogan
Whitehall (Fishburn) Carlton

Let’s give the midget none tackling midfield a break, save Nicholson from himself and Carlton a chance to get match fit. The ones in brackets if first choices not fit.

[Deereyme66]

‘Thanks to Butler now we’ll have to get another manager in who’s going to have to deal and deal best they can to sort the squad out. ‘

We’re not getting a new manager in. Surely you understand that?

As for ‘he assembled the squad’; he inherited a lot of it. I honestly don’t believe Butterfield and Ogle being here still would make much difference tbh. Did it last season?

[Deereyme66]

Shrimpton has hardly impressed in his limited minutes MKI but 8 don’t think anyone would argue with Clunan and Nicholson being benched

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Awaywego

[WonderGoals]

Deerey he had his mind made up on playing this particular formation right from the start and would have shaped the squad the way it is for that very reason.

Sorry to say but the overload of CM players and lack of wide options is on him, he knew what budget he had and what he had to work with and went down the path he choose to go down.

Only problem is now he’s assembled a squad to play a certain formation which he now finds out doesn’t work, but can’t really deviate from it due to his own recruitment of players.

Look, he’s an inexperienced manager and he got it badly wrong…look he’s only human. Only problem is that the poor decisions taken early on has absolutely screwed us.

How can you play this or any other level with 2 wingers on the books when even know one of those is always injured ?

Absolute madness Deerey.

[MK Iron]

I would give Shrimpton a go because he is prepared to tackle and will give Buxton’s bully boys a bit back. On the few occasions he has had a run of games (here or Spennymoor) he starts to play a bit of football.

Not writing Scales and Clunan off but they have had many chances and dont run the midfield even in games we have won.

[Deereyme66]

I don’t totally disagree with a lot of the points you are making WG (apart from your vivid imagination about who’s really thinking what, hypothetical scenarios, etc on the other thread), but this is an exaggeration:

‘Look, he’s an inexperienced manager and he got it badly wrong…look he’s only human. Only problem is that the poor decisions taken early on has absolutely screwed us.’

[MK Iron]

It’s all immaterial anyway. Butler is going to stand or fall by his formation.

[Awaywego]

Shouldn’t be looking at any other club than ourselves no one else can get us the points we need to win the league, and we certainly haven’t enough in the bank yet.
Surely the debt has being paid off by now, and yes I don’t know what the debt was but I’ve heard a conservative £1.2 million up to the one I heard on Saturday £1.8 whatever all paid down within a year (well done everyone) so we should be entering profitability now and should be quite a substantial amount each month i think you’ll agree, i know when I pay a debt off it leaves me with more money or am I missing something.

[cassidystash]

WonderGoals wrote:

Deerey he had his mind made up on playing this particular formation right from the start and would have shaped the squad the way it is for that very reason.
Only problem is now he’s assembled a squad to play a certain formation which he now finds out doesn’t work, but can’t really deviate from it due to his own recruitment of players.

But that’s the problem – he hasn’t. His system doesn’t need wingers so he’s got that right. He needs wing backs – he didn’t inherit any and didn’t sign any. He needs 3 MFs and finished with 7. Exchange 2 MFs for 2 WBs and he’d have a chance of his system working. Otherwise a back 4 and 4-2 or 3-3 looks to better suit the current squad.

[ironking]

A good debate on football, makes a welcome change from catering!

Well done to all taking part.

Clunan is not the problem for me, he is often alone in central midfield and when I look for an outlet when he is on the ball, I can’t see a forward one. Hence the far too regular passback.

It’s the structure again, with four midfielders Clunan would/should have two/three midfield outlets and dare I suggest an option to play forward balls into the channels.

Fitzsimmons is a first class keeper, all four centre halves are good and I would be happy with any of the four in any combination of two, with Barrows and Denton as fullbacks.

Brogan does look good but he tends to play alongside Clunan and fills the gaps created by Beestin and Scales, the latter was a revelation last season with his energy and running, because of the deficiency in midfield numbers, he has to do far too much work and I don’t think he knows where he needs to do that work.

Whitehall is a 20+ season striker and worth his weight in gold, when we feed him and he is in work mode, but he needs a foil alongside him.

Roberts is pure class with a footballers brain and I’d be happy with him upfront or wide right.

It’s great having all these opinions though cos there is only one that counts!!!!!

[Iron-awe]

cassidystash wrote:

I hear him knocking but he can’t come in! Butler can’t hear him.

Dave Edmunds could hear them knocking but still wouldn’t let them in.

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[WonderGoals]

Cassidy I know his system doesn’t include wingers, which is why we have no real wide options, but he had the chance to sign proper wing backs and didn’t do that either. Barrows has done ok but Denton offers very little on his side. To be fair neither Barrows or Denton are anywhere near aggressive enough or attacking to play those roles asked to play.

That’s down to Butler again though as he put the squad together. It was his idea to play this 5 at the back formation and geared fully up to play it by signing certain players which has caused most of the mess.

Whichever way you look at it, the squad needs sorting out. We had a fresh start to get this right and the squad has ended up worse than it was before as least the last one had some kind of balance.

Yes I get it the budget was cut but still shouldn’t be in this shape though.

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