Charlie Kirk.

[Iron-awe]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Iron- awe “I could not imagine you working on the Samaritans hotline.”?
? Please give a reason why.

I already gave a reason is your blinkered brain designed to lock out all responses that don’t match your blinkered high handed approach?

[Fifty Pence]

Many Christians try and “spread the gospel” and promote the “good news”. Bpg, however, has his own way of putting people off the Christian faith and discourage the “good news”.

[Deereyme66]

I’m not sure if I’m perceived as being ‘savable’ or Satan’s armpit.

[billpuntonsghost]

Fiftypence,what is the Gospel and “Good News” according to your understanding?

[billpuntonsghost]

Iron – awe , name one instance of my “high handed approach” to give me an understanding of your statement.

[Siderite]

There was always a likelihood that the attacker was a leftist loon, given the nature of the victim, but you were speaking with certainty from the off. Pick a likely candidate and you will have a high chance of being right, but it was never 100% certainty for those without knowledge at the moment of the original post.

Moreover, this is not exactly a new phenomenon in the USA. Radicalised idiots have attacked others before. Be it the Hortmans, the Israeli embassy staff and the Pelosis (I remember the sanctimonious right having a good chuckle at that one). The issue isn’t one of evil, godless atheist Marxists. The problem is that humans are tribal and recent events, combined with the toxic nature of the internet, has made people demonise those not of their tribe. The killer of Charlie Kirk seems to be one of those people, but he and those of his ideology are not alone. Vehement rightists, leftists, Islamists and more seem to use their certain position as being the flagbearers of right from wrong to attack others.

Society is becoming polarised now and it’s sad. We can argue about the magnitude of blame for any ‘side’, but many across the spectrum are playing into it. Yes, Deerey jumped the gun when his Mormon background came out. I think that was motivated by an irritation of your cast iron certainty at a time of uncertainty. Your posts here seem to be more about attacking others, to sow division, in the manner of many that has caused the tensions in society. The chaos and misery you regularly reference is being caused by this.

[Fifty Pence]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Fiftypence,what is the Gospel and “Good News” according to your understanding?

My understanding is that the gospel(s) are books in the bible that were written around 100 years after the main character in the new testament was supposedly born and have been selected by humans (amongst the various books written at a similar time) attributed to 4 guys based on oral tradition. Which have since been translated by other humans. But my comment was not on the contents of the gospels, but rather your method which puts people off your religion rather than attracts.

[billpuntonsghost]

Fifty pence-No that’s not the Gospel . What is your understanding of the “Good News” message by the way?

[Fifty Pence]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Fifty pence-No that’s not the Gospel . What is your understanding of the “Good News” message by the way?

The good news, as I understand, is the idea that believers are saved by their god sending themselves/son to be theoretically killed . Which doesn’t make much sense imho, but hey probably more sense than the idea of two sloths leaving Mount Ararat and travelling to the Americas without leaving any trace.

[billpuntonsghost]

You are very confused about the “Good News”,FiftyPence.
You are confused about when the Holy Bible was written (minimising it to the Gospels of Matthew,Mark,Luke and John.) Maybe it doesn’t make sense because it hasn’t been properly explained to you? The reason I care is because your eternal life is at stake. I will quote one verse to you,”The wages of sin is death,but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Hey,I am not trying to be “ high handed”,but trying spread the “Good News”message that faith in Jesus Christ leads to Salvation.

[Fifty Pence]

I was talking about the gospels, not the entire book, as I said in my response. My main point is that your approach is unlikely to convert people, it is more likely to turn people away from your religion.

[billpuntonsghost]

..if my approach is unlikely to convert people..can you explain what approach would lead you to Jesus Christ as your Saviour? Or put it another way,what would convince you Jesus Christ was God in human form?

[Fifty Pence]

Evidence, not self-authenticated evidence from the bible, but actual evidence.

[billpuntonsghost]

The Holy Bible (66 books)is a reliable collection of historical documents,written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of eyewitnesses ,who reported on supernatural events that took place to fulfill specific prophecies,and they reported they were divine in nature and not of human origin. You are illogical in saying prove Christianity is true without the Bible. It’s like saying prove 2+2=4 without using numbers! I ask again what evidence would convince you Jesus Christ was God in human form? Maybe an empty tomb?

[Siderite]

Eyewitness accounts are not necessarily true. A book containing descriptions of miracles isn’t evidence that these miracles did happen. None of these fantastic events were noted down by the Romans or anyone else at the time, despite their extraordinary nature. Hindu texts describe witnesses claiming they saw Krishna lift up a mountain. A book saying witnesses saw this god do it is not evidence that such an event occurred.

[Deereyme66]

The real ‘Good News’ is the Iron either not having a game abondoned or conceding in the final minutes.

[Northumbiron]

Not much good news for the families of those three million kids who starved to death last year whilst the parents prayed to God for salvation.

[billpuntonsghost]

Romans chapter 1 18:20 speaks of the wrath of God being revealed against humanity’s wickedness,because their unrighteousness suppresses the truth of God’s existence,power and divine nature,which are clearly seen in creation.
God’s eternal power and divine nature are understood through the things He has made,leaving people without excuse for their lack of worship and their suppression of truth.
On the day of judgement,if you are relying on the excuse “ if you’d only revealed yourself,I would have believed”, it will be met with the contempt it deserves.

[Northumbiron]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

God’s existence, power and divine nature, which are clearly seen in creation.

LOL!

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[Deereyme66]

There’s a convenient get of jail card running through the book of fairytales.

[Deereyme66]

Constantly re-interpreted to suit agendas to the extent that any murderers can be be forgiven, no matter how heinous the crime. Ridiculous.

[Fifty Pence]

If your God wants people to clearly see His existence in creation, why does he hide it? If He created a global flood, why does His created geology show only potential large floods encompassing multiple river basins around Mount Ararat? The story of Noah loses some of its magic , if the geological record is to be believed, and it was a local flood, and a family built a boat with a few chickens and goats. It’s a shame Shem didn’t record everything on his iPhone, as it would be good to see how things looked before your God invented light refraction.

[Siderite]

https://www.forthedeskdrawer.com/p/the-meaning-of-charlie-kirk?r=333r8&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true Good article on the subject at hand, I think.

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[Fifty Pence]

One of the problems of using a holy book as evidence is that there are many religions with many holy books. Many of these holy books state there is only one true religion. If Christianity is true because the bible says so, then Sikhism must be true because the Guru Granth Sahib says so.

[Northumbiron]

Indeed. And if an omnipotent, omnipresent deity actually existed then they wouldn’t need mankind to do their PR work.

It’s utter nonsense.

[TwoWrights]

Northumbiron wrote:

Indeed. And if an omnipotent, omnipresent deity actually existed then they wouldn’t need mankind to do their PR work.

It’s utter nonsense.

An omnipotent deity could oh so easily divert the path of a bullet, I suppose ‘he’ moves in mysterious ways, or some other BS excuse.

[billpuntonsghost]

[Fifty Pence]

I, like many others, will not be watching endless YouTube videos. Instead, give us the major points, and your thoughts on them. I can.probsbly guess the contents in this case, I know the phrase has something to morality without the Christian belief. But again it’s all self-referential, I’m not scared of being judged by a god I don’t believe in. In much the same way I imagine you don’t really worry about what Shiva and Inti have to say about your morality. I would like you to answer your own question “what convinced you that Jesus was god in human form ?” Was it because you were taught to believe it? Was it the continuing reaffirmation of preachers telling you every week? Was it a moment in your life? A revelation? Was it for security and forgiveness?

[Deereyme66]

It was an invention and racket to keep people in their place and console the lonely. Same racketeering in turbo mode in the US with the UK grifters coming up on the rails.

[Deereyme66]

Have free speech warriors had Jimmy Kimmel cancelled because he suggested the MAGA lobby were upset with him suggesting they were trying to score political points over Kirk’s death? Hmm, thankfully no one’s getting cancelled on Bru for suggesting one of our own would do anything like that.

BBC News – Jimmy Kimmel taken off air over Charlie Kirk comments – BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c203n52x1y9o

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