Charlie Kirk.

[billpuntonsghost]

The Liberal Left,Marxist,atheists,who have influenced our youth in universities throughout the world ,have shown their teeth once again. Truth,Free-Speech and a Christian worldview are alien to their thinking.They will not tolerate these valves and the chaos around the world will only lead to more misery. Charlie Kirk is now “ sleeping”,waiting for the day of judgement and a reunion with the Creator who created him. He Repented and believed the Good News. God is rich in mercy to all who cry out for forgiveness.

[Fifty Pence]

Another example of the problems with America’s obsession with guns, whether it’s the murder of Kirk or the murder of Hortman (by the right wing murderer) or the other thousands people killed by guns (from the left, from the right, from non religious and from Christians (and other faiths)

[Fifty Pence]

Meanwhile Kirk was influencing our youth to be misogynistic, intolerant and to lack empathy (a word Kirk said was a made up new age term). It’s a horrible murder that will have long lasting effects, and horrible for his family – whether he’s in heaven or not. But it doesn’t affect my views on his politics and world view.

[CMC]

Anyone with the Surname Kirk is a wrongun to be fair.

[Iron Age]

It’s often said in America, in the right to bear arms,that it’s not guns that kill, it’s people.

I have a solution, don’t sell guns to people.

[Siderite]

The problem isn’t with Marxism or the far left, specifically, it’s a problem with radicalisation. We don’t know the identity of the killer yet. Charlie Kirk wasn’t popular among the anti-Israel neo-Nazi groups, who are not being radicalised by Marxist professors. They are the sort of people who would consider killing others, but we don’t know yet, so we cannot say with any certainty. It could be someone to the right of Kirk, it could be some Marxist, we don’t know. The first attempted assassin of Trump was a Qanon rightist, rightists killed the Hortmans, this isn’t some specific left wing problem and jumping on it to make it such is political gamesmanship at this stage.

I didn’t like Kirk, but my vehement disagreement with his awful beliefs does not mean I don’t feel sadness at his passing. He had a young kid who will be scarred by this. There are some sick, mostly leftist people, celebrating his death on social media. They may be the online few, and it’s important to remember that, but these are the leftists who need criticising. Not making out America’s gun problem is some Marxist issue.

[Deereyme66]

‘The Liberal Left,Marxist,atheists,who have influenced our youth in universities throughout the world ,have shown their teeth once again’

Did God give you some super power that enables you to know all this about the killer despite them being still at large? You have no idea who did this, what their motivations were, if they were hired or a lone wolf, etc. Can’t be possible it was a nut job with easy access to a gun can it? Just like the driver who mowed down Liverpool fans had to be a Muslim terrorist, despite facts showing he wasn’t.

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[billpuntonsghost]

All the haters of Charlie Kirk,revealed in posts above,need to answer their objection to free- speech ,people who have a different worldview to them. Killing people who they object to is not the answer,but a common occurrence when they are losing the argument. Take a look at the hundreds of debates ( Oxford and Cambridge two recent ones), all the University campus that Charlie Kirk has engaged in over the years. I have watched many and the outcome has been in lots of cases a total vindication for Charlie Kirk’s worldview,and foul mouthed foolishness when they realise they have lost the debate a common end.You probably will disagree,but give no specific verification of your objections to his Christian worldview.

[Siderite]

I had no problem with Kirk airing his views in debates. It doesn’t mean I have to like his opinions. People are allowed to think differently to you. That’s the glory of free speech.

[Deereyme66]

‘All the haters of Charlie Kirk,revealed in posts above’

More unsubstantiated nonsense, and what followed. Personally, I had never heard of him till hearing about the shooting last night. I don’t hate people I know nothing about. You’re throwing a lot of accusations around bpg with little evidence.

[billpuntonsghost]

Your reply made me spluttered out my tea,Deeryme. When the killer is found ,do you honestly believe he will not have a racical far-left(atheist)indoctrinated worldview? Maybe a rebellious confused gender suspect? We don’t know the details yet,but based on past atrocities,the chances are high my comments will have a high probability of the likely outcome.

[Fifty Pence]

“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment” Charlie Kirk 2023

[Siderite]

There is a likelihood that the killer will be a leftist (however, you regularly conflate leftists with liberals and anyone who isn’t a Christian rightist) aimed Christian beliefs. The recent Minneapolis shooting was committed by someone with Nazi sympathies, a right winger killed the Hortmans, so it’s not all on one side. Your comments smack of an agenda to attack others than to try and understand the problem. I am not denying far left problems, they do exist, but we cannot condemn without evidence. Which we don’t yet have.

Like I said, Kirk wasn’t without his far right enemies, and they have a history of violence.

I wonder who he means by serving those who killed him. I also wonder why atheists would be so bothered about who killed Jesus too, since they are apparently the only ones with bones to pick with him. Hmmm. The problems don’t just lie among those you dislike.

[billpuntonsghost]

Siderite. “ that’s the glory of free-speech!” The problem is your worldview will not tolerate free speech and debate.Take a look around ,unless you have blinkers on ( which I suspect you do) in university campuses around the world ,free speech is off the agenda unless it falls in line with a far- left,Marxist,anti- Christian worldview!

[Siderite]

I an not a far left Marxist. I don’t like these ‘right on’ campus progressive types who censor. Their view is not my worldviwq, but you conflate to make out everyone against you is in bad faith and of the same. As for free speech, the right love whining about those who hurt their feelings too.

[billpuntonsghost]

You started “ the glory of free-speech”,do you agree my view of university campuses around the world is correct? This destroys you comment about the glory of free-speech,surely? Or are you wearing blinkers,as I suggested?

[Siderite]

How does it destroy my comments? I have made no comment in support of them and said that I had no problem with Kirk airing his views in his debates, even if I find them awful. It should be pretty obvious to anyone that I don’t agree with those who say disagreeable voices should be shut down, within reason (e.g. I don’t think extremists, be they Islamist or neo-Nazi, should be able to incite actual violence).

[billpuntonsghost]

Everyone against my worldview has a right to have a different worldview,but when they are defeated in sensible debate,killing the opponents is becoming more and more common in our world today.
I can say to you that you are in grave danger on the day of judgement.You can disagree with me,but I care enough to warn you and hope you Repent and believe the “Good News”.

[Siderite]

Some fine ‘free speech’ going on the right currently. No matter that many Dems have come out against this awful killing, they need to be shut down for free speech:

https://x.com/realmattforney/status/1965855263623413791

[billpuntonsghost]

It destroyed your comment about “the glory of free-speech”,because your worldview is trying to do the opposite of free-speech,unless it falls in line with your worldview.

[Siderite]

My worldview in supporting free speech is destroying free speech?

You think everyone who disagrees with you is an extremist and of the same thought, which is one of the problems right now. A polarised society where people would rather wag fingers than self-reflect.

[Fifty Pence]

I’m intrigued by bpg’s comments about university campuses. I wonder what he thinks happens in them,

[Fifty Pence]

Any recent rise in violence is likely to be related the rise of the right wing, and the dangerous rhetoric of division from trump et al. A recent study on gun deaths in the USA showed a strong correlation between states with higher church attendance and gun deaths (same with teen pregnancies). Christianity is not the problem, in my opinion, but Christian nationalism

[Deereyme66]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Your reply made me spluttered out my tea,Deeryme. When the killer is found ,do you honestly believe he will not have a racical far-left(atheist)indoctrinated worldview? Maybe a rebellious confused gender suspect? We don’t know the details yet,but based on past atrocities,the chances are high my comments will have a high probability of the likely outcome.

Strange world will we live in bpg. I’d wait and see if the killer’s caught and if we get to the bottom of the truth rather than kangaroo courting.

[RedMistTorpsFist]

The replies on this. Got to admit I had no idea who Charlie Kirk was and this is from someone who is aware of the lesser known social media disruptors i.e. Paul Watson, Femi, Cheong etc etc

I despair how as a country (and perhaps as a planet) we’ve been pushed into different corners, divided and then bombarded with news to a degree that everyone must have a live opinion on it. Its fed into everyone’s pocket on a multitude of apps. Used to be just the TV news that people shouted at. Its inescapable and its so draining, we’re baited by algorithms for clicks – net resulting being societal divide paying £££ to those stoking it. Quite enjoyed just being able to mix with people from outside my circle in the 90s/00s without having to draw serious lines between beliefs. We’ve been completely screwed over and indoctrinated with hatred from tech companies, inept politicians and influencers. If i could pull the plug on social media and 24/7 news i would….dont think anyone would miss it after a month or two. Worrying where the world is headed for our children and grandchildren.

[Deereyme66]

The division was created in the opening post unfortunately. I rarely post on the non football side nowadays (rarely look on X and never post on it either) but occasionally feel complelled when reading such unsubstantiated propaganda on Bru. I completely understand anyone being perplexed by the matters raised by Red mist Torps but tbh, I find steering clear of it works for me.

[TwoWrights]

Someone should point out to fruitcake Bill that this shooting took place on a college campus, attended by many students.

[billpuntonsghost]

I will not call you fruitcake TwoWrights,but you obviously don’t have any problem insulting me. What was your point in your post?

[Iron-awe]

It’s a tragedy this young man was murdered and whatever his politics the use of violence is completely unwarranted and disgusting. How Trump can lash out at the radical left as he calls it is once again the wrong way to go about this. He has no evidence what the political leanings of the killer are until he is caught and processed. Think it’s worth pointing out the man who shot at Trump and was subsequently shot and killed by police immediately after the assassination attempt was discovered to be a card carrying member of the Republican Party, don’t recall Trump or the far right in America at the time making anything political out of that but then again they wouldn’t would they? It’s all very tragic and unnecessary but I don’t think politicising this murder is the correct or sensible thing to do but hey Trump doesn’t do sensible he does divisive rhetoric and plenty of hate speech himself.

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[billpuntonsghost]

Deeryme, “ kangaroo courting?” I have not accused anyone,only pointed to the high probability of the murderers worldview.

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