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The aim at the present should quite rightly be the first team, then (and if) we regain our FL status and the funding that goes with it, re-establishing the academy / youth system (call it a what you like) should be a priority.
Sadly, since the closure of the academy we have lost a generation of local talent in the town to the likes of Lincoln, Doncaster, Hull, Grimsby.
Lincoln literally have a set up camp at Bottesford Town and cherry pick the best talent from the local area.
We’re pretty much a one sport town (football) and have an array of local footballing talent right through the age groups – I’ve witnessed this first hand.
We are also VERY well geographically situated to capture the not quite and nearly made it youth players from Leeds, Barnsley, Sheffield, Hull, Doncaster etc.
The talent on shown in even the top-tier grass roots teams from these places is astounding.
In my opinion to rule out a youth system completely is short sighted and is the building blocks of a sustainable, lower league football club.
We should be looking to provide a conveyor belt of local talent, that can be developed and sold on.
Yes, it’s not an overnight plan, but long term I believe this should be the bedrock of our plan to be a sustainable, lower league club.
The caveat is that we need to be in the FL to start this journey, which appears a distant dream at present.
P.s in terms of facilities, the option would be to partner with a local senior school, college etc that’s what some local teams do and do well..
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Agree, in principle.
We were pitched at High Ridge. It wasn’t free, they charged for use of all their facilities… it wasn’t cheap.We were like nomads.
JLC, High Ridge, The Shed, Hornsbys.
Winter months are the toughest – as there are virtually no indoor facilities suitable within the town. Virtually.Those ‘players’ from the distant fields in Yorkshire – they have to meet the EFLs travelling time rules.
How many players in Leeds’, Hull’s, Grimsby’s Lincoln’s, Doncaster’s, Blades’ Wendy’s, Rotherham’s, Barnsley’s first team came through their Academy?
Of those (which there won’t be many) – how many were there for say 4 years – up to & including U16s.
A lot of these bigger clubs pick up the ‘cast offs’ from the mega clubs when they do their U16 releases.
Also, the big clubs have scouts operating everywhere these days. They’ve set up DCs in major towns & cities to attract players to their badge.
You can’t compete with the pull of a Man City, Man Utd etc.It’s a conveyor belt, certainly… of high hopes and dashed dreams.
It’s a bus ride, you need a squad of players to facilitate the one player in the team who might have a chance of hurdling over 8 seasons of part time coaches with their over inflated opinions of their own coaching abilities.
That one… may just get a one year “pro” contract.The real talents, Rooney and the like who break in to the big clubs first teams do so for a reason – and it’s the big clubs that have these star players.
Their scouting networks and the compensation payments as per the EPPP are orchestrated by the Prem League to ensure that they get the best players or pay peanuts for them.
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OP correct im first team assertions… need to trim the squad to a capable first team option for each position with a promising young and inexperienced player waiting in the wings.
The team needs more pace at the back and as others have repeatedly said the successful year’s were build around a strong and experienced spine. Unfortunately we are now too low in the pyramid to attract those type of players.
Need a defined system we stick to and stop worrying about what the opposition have got, a bit like Kevin Keegans maverick football.
Need to get back to polishing gems and making money from transfers. See Fylde have just turned down 500k from York for their striker.
Academy is a dream and won’t happen again until the club are in the EFL and established as financially stable which could take forever.1 user thanked author for this post.
The club have killed momentum off the pitch introducing 2 tier supporters, one on tuther side genuinely pissed off last night that he’d made the long trip to Eastleigh but could only listen to the clubs Butler interview for 50 odd seconds.
Now is the right time for the club to say we got this one wrong and cancel the insider’s.Crowds will dwindle unless we at least start and do the basic of turning up and performing in a way that fans expect. They can take defeat as proved everyone giving credit to those that were last season. Even draws against boreham wood at home and the league game at Rochdale fans saw they were better than us but saw our team battle, anything else is not acceptable at any level.
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Not sour, a long way from that trait.
Another primary reason why so few players make it as a Pro, is the year on year increase of overseas players at clubs.
We are seeing this extend further and further down the pyramid.Yes, everyone wants and expects instant success – that’s not realistic or attainable.
There can only be 4 league winners among the 92 clubs. 1 FA Cup & 1 League Cup winner.
Ok, so some clubs may / can measure success against their budget / fan base / attendance / squad size / history etc
There are very few managers who walk away from a position of their own accord – Ferguson, Wenger, Klopp, Pep etc.
Most fear the sack and aren’t interested in the Academies or giving young promising talent a run out.
It’s all geared for the Prem Clubs to hoover the very best talent up.
The advantage of being at a big club, is that there are plenty of branches to hit on the way down (when released). One of those branches (clubs) will probably take you.
Start out at a club of our stature, even when we were a L1 / L2 club and there are no branches to grab a hold on.
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In agreement with most of your OP HI but if I could only choose one it would have to be:-
“Finally, stop worrying about how other teams are setting up, find your own system and style of play and STICK to it.”We have NL players for a reason, they are limited in their ability and that ability needs to be maximised. “Be the best you can be” – NA every week) Get them comfortable with one system and in their correct position.
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This^^^^
To me it’s tantamount to cowardice to try and set up to counter another team.
It says, “They are better than us, so we need to be afraid of what they can do”.
To do it EVER at home is unforgivable.
Are you listening Butler?1 user thanked author for this post.
Not sour, a long way from that trait.
Another primary reason why so few players make it as a Pro, is the year on year increase of overseas players at clubs.
We are seeing this extend further and further down the pyramid.Yes, everyone wants and expects instant success – that’s not realistic or attainable.
There can only be 4 league winners among the 92 clubs. 1 FA Cup & 1 League Cup winner.
Ok, so some clubs may / can measure success against their budget / fan base / attendance / squad size / history etc
There are very few managers who walk away from a position of their own accord – Ferguson, Wenger, Klopp, Pep etc.
Most fear the sack and aren’t interested in the Academies or giving young promising talent a run out.
It’s all geared for the Prem Clubs to hoover the very best talent up.
The advantage of being at a big club, is that there are plenty of branches to hit on the way down (when released). One of those branches (clubs) will probably take you.
Start out at a club of our stature, even when we were a L1 / L2 club and there are no branches to grab a hold on.
Sour was the wrong word, battle hardened maybe?
Agree with everything you have said, unfortunately the odds are massively stacked against young, would be footballers.
I myself have a nephew who is 10 and would likely be in the academy set-up with us if there was one, so maybe my view is obscured due to this..
Just experienced in the system / process… from start to conclusion.
Too many fathers wear rose tinted glasses; others want it more than the son – maybe they were denied the opportunity as a kid themselves? Yet perhaps they thought and may still think that they were good enough? Maybe some were?
What annoys, in fact perturbs me; is that we can send U9s & U10s on a coach journey of 2 1/2 hours to play a minimum of 30 mins (rules state a min of 50% of game time)football.
A 5 hour round trip to play 30 minutes!
Scandalous!
Where is the logic & common sense in that.
It teeters on child abuse.Better to stay / join one of the best Sunday league teams within the area that you live. Pick a good club and they’ll probably have “B” licenced coaches… the programs have been in place long enough now. Stick with a ‘Super’ Sunday League club and you’ll get more game time each week and can play in tournaments in the summer.
Plus… you’ll save a fortune on travel costs.
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In agreement with most of your OP HI but if I could only choose one it would have to be:-
“Finally, stop worrying about how other teams are setting up, find your own system and style of play and STICK to it.”We have NL players for a reason, they are limited in their ability and that ability needs to be maximised. “Be the best you can be” – NA every week) Get them comfortable with one system and in their correct position.
Absolutely.
Round pegs, round holes.
Play a simple system.
Play the system that they’ve all probably played since being 6 years old.
Muscle memory will play half the game for you.
Our players are deficient in one or maybe even a couple of areas at this level – that’s why they are here.
No disrespect to any of the players – as they all are still of a very good standard.
It is what it is.4-4-2
Simple, straightforward.
Limited players are familiar & understand it.
After 20, maybe even 30 years playing it in some cases… it’s second nature.
It’s autopilot, you don’t have to think, losing precious microseconds, instinct, what comes naturally.
Don’t try and emulate Pep; he’s got world class players.
Utilise what we’ve got to our best advantage.
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For clarification – no intention to disrespect players in my post.
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Echo what other posters have said. Pick a system and stick to it. I’d personally try and counteract the lack of Roberts by changing tack and going with two up top. Butler seems to be allergic to it.
He needs to stop playing a high line with two CB’s with little to no pace. That’s a recipe for disaster. Jb has tons of pace, but showed against Rochdale in the play off semi final last season that positionally he’s all over the place. I’d trust him at RB or as a CB as part of a back 5 with 3 CB’s, but not as one of the two at the back.
Try 4/4/2 with settled side and see how that fairs.
STOP PLAYING DEC HOW OR WHITEHALL AS A LONE STRIKER. TOO ISOLATED AND THE BALL COMES STRAIGHT BACK.
Jones despite coming with a big reputation has flattered to deceive so far, looks flashy at times but no end product.
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