Iron Bru › Forums › Non Football › Humanitarian pause , Zionist style › Reply To: Humanitarian pause , Zionist style
No straw manning in my posts. I addressed the point being made earlier today by IA and said I am uneasy because of it. Fans64’s comments about gripes with the BBC coverage are a clear straw man, as that was not to do with what I had said. Same with IA’s following post. I only mentioned it because JI did. The importance of the news not spewing out false information is more important than that and the only thing damaging the BBC’s reputation here, alongside others, is their own shoddiness. It’s completely false to respond to posts on such by implying it’s because of reporting on civilian casualties. It’s because of demonstrable falsehoods that I believe to come from bias, and is important for news organisations to stamp out because it damages trust in anything claimed by them on this topic. As for my own many errors of judgement, I am aware I can make some, but if pointed out I will apologise or realise I am wrong, as I did with you the other day.
It’s not the pointing out of the horrible situation, but I have disagreed with hyperbolic claims of genocide and excuses about treatment of Palestinians in response to supporting violent resistance from Hamas or anti-Semitism on our streets. That shows, from some, a clear ambivalence to Jews and does lean towards side taking. If people are going to respond with comments like that it doesn’t come across so neutrally.
I don’t even like Netanyahu’s government, think it’s wretched, the actions in the West Bank are appalling and am wondering about their specific strategy. I just recognise that conflict was initiated on Oct 7th and think Israel has a right to defend itself as others have. We have done similar in the past and recently, yet we didn’t get the same rhetoric. I don’t think we’d get the same anger if we had a genocidal cult massacre our civilians, take hostages, and then took military action in response. There’d be widespread anger about us not doing anything, I think. Even if the attackers came from a a group we had treated badly. Yet to suggest Israel has the right to defend itself gets ire.
I can repeat myself until I am blue in the face, but it won’t make any difference. It’s not the arguments about the way the war is being conducted, but what I see as an unfair skew which does not understand the side they disagree with. People would say the same about me, but I recognise that Palestinians have faced injustice and have been exiled. It will not be solved by grievances and supporting Hamas though, and cannot through any moral compunction. As much as Israel needs to change with Netanyahu going, there needs to be a change in direction in Palestine too, because some of the stuff believed by many (not saying all) will never yield peace and Israel (by which I include the liberals, not just the Likud head bangers) will not tolerate being destroyed to appease extremists.
Many who support pro-Palestine may in their heart and head want peace, but there is a strong element who do not and are fostering division and hate. Today I have seen clips of people trying to hunt a Jew in London, the past marches had speeches and chants of anti-Semitism and destruction of Israel. All of this does not point to peace.