Reply To: Take Back Control

[Siderite]

Let’s backtrack slightly. The post above the one where you said you are tired of explaining to me that you accept manmade climate change has me saying CO2 is driving climate change. I am going to assume this is what you were referring to, since it’s the only associated comment for this. It should be bloody obvious to anyone that this is not an unfair comment, because it’s clear you don’t think current climate change is CO2 driven. Therefore, responding to my comment about CO2 is driving climate change by saying “of course you accept manmade climate change, and you’re fed up of telling me otherwise” is slippery. You don’t think such and my comments since have been aimed at that alone, and it’s obviously a fair representation to say you don’t think such.

You would have a better time understanding if you read what I was saying and what it was responding to, instead of trying to straw man and twist words all the damn time. My last few points had little to do with the actual debate, so maybe try viewing through that lens instead of jumbling it together with arguments I made posts ago and changing debate focus on a whim to suit you. It’s this kind of behaviour which I am fed up with, and why I am not going into significant debating points. There isn’t a hope in hell of you bothering to understand what I say, because everything gets twisted to suit an agenda.

I would have more trust in your judgement if you hadn’t, repeatedly, failed to understand fundamental elements about climatology. As it is, baseless proclamations are worth very little. I have never argued climate to be simple, we know it isn’t, but complexity doesn’t equal lack of ability to understand. Areas requiring further research do not equate to us not being able to form any theory, otherwise we would have zero confidence in any scientific idea (including gravity, which we know very little about). I have repeatedly talked about positive feedback mechanisms, so this shows that not all warming can be linked directly to CO2. However, these positive feedback mechanisms would not exist without a cause, so to say this shows natural climate change would be eyebrow raising. I have gone into the evidence for such previously, so I am not going to do so again when I have learned it’s futile. I have repeatedly spoken about shorter term climate impacts, from natural sources, but also spoken about why they cannot explain the longer term trend.

To sum up, I accept that you say you think some climate change can be explained by CO2, but your comment about me needing to be explained about how you accept manmade climate change and are fed up of telling it, comes across as a false response to a fair comment about CO2 driving current climate trends. I think it’s obvious that when I say that CO2 is driving warming I mean CO2 is the cause for current climate trends. It may be a misunderstanding on your part, but given everything in the past, I really wouldn’t be surprised if you are twisting words and straw manning me yet again.