Reply To: Take Back Control

[Just Iron]

Thanks to all who wished me well. Much appreciated. Had a ‘lump’ the size of an egg removed from my shoulder … no, not a ‘chip’ before you start!!! 24 hours on and no pain so that seems like a result to add to the one against Gateshead last night.
Just a few things to add.
Heath … I disagree that my calling for less vitriol isn’t worthwhile. I think someone pointing out when annoyance or frustration with others leads to simplistic stances, inconsistencies and/ or tribalism is ok and something I am happy to do. Maybe if it really was ALL I do then it could be a bit smarmy … but I have expressed myself pretty clearly in many places on the forum if you care to think back. I don’t think I’m shy of speaking up but I’m not on the forum a lot .. and at least a bit of that is because sometimes it feels that people are just reacting rather than listening and then responding to others.
As far as thanking Gurney even whilst having differences ….. I liked the clarity of his post, the validity of some of his arguments but mostly because it was pretty well free of all the nastiness and jibes that have crept in in the past. (For BPG … the Thanks to this latest post by Gurney was all about another articulate reply …which I have some differences with … but mostly because he joined others in wishing me well with my Op. The ‘so called Christians’ bit is water off a ducks back to me .. if it even applied to me …. I’ve had so much worse for expressing my discipleship to Jesus.)
Gurney I understand that there seems little defence of leaving the EU in the current economic landscape…. If the economics was indeed all there is to it. My reference to ‘all not being well ‘ in the EU in the fulness of time was not primarily about the economics. When I look at the noises coming out of Hungary and Poland, the recent election result in Italy and Mrs van der Leydens chilling warnings in the run up to it .. as well as the largely unreported public unrest in the Netherlands and France … not to mention the glaring across the Franco/German border … well, I’m yet to be convinced that the whole edifice isn’t already starting to crumble.
But … as I stated clearly and at length months ago when I pitched in to a similar discussion … my belief is that mankind is created to operate best outside of large scale conglomerations/Empires. I believe that the God of the Nations knows what’s best for us … as long as other Nations are treated with respect and compassion and also as partners. I note that in your first post you felt that the UK was feeling the disadvantage of being ‘alone in the Universe’. I don’t think we are … and that informs my perspective.