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    ironkingironking
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    Too many sideshows off the field have cost the club the championship in my opinion.

    Removing Lee Turnbull.

    Appointing a new CEO.

    Creating Unity.

    Signing Beck

    FC100000.

    Sacking the catering person.

    Sacking the club shop supplier.

    Keeping Ramus Twat on the scene.

    Stadium Weekender.

    All these made people take their eye off the real goal in automatic promotion.

    I would be looking extremely hard at the reasons behind many of these decisions and the person who initiated them.

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    #303816
    lesgeolesgeo
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    The greatest failing was the manager insisting on playing with a system last Autumn that had long outlived its early season usefulness.

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    #303817
    ironkingironking
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    The greatest failing was the manager insisting on playing with a system last Autumn that had long outlived its early season usefulness.

    I would not disagree with the statement, only point out that after that major on field issue was sorted out.

    Somebody somewhere created distracting havoc off the field, which did not help.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    All well in hindsight Les. Other teams in the top 8 could well blame certain parts of their season for not gaining top spot. No use whatsoever to keep pointing the finger at that aspect. It’s done. I could equally say, I blame that amazing last 6-8 games Brackley has cost us. A lot of people punishing the kid who’s already learnt his lesson.

    #303820
    PhilAndersPhilAnders
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    You do have a point Ironking. A lot of off field drama for a club championing “Unity”. However, I share Lesgeo’s views that the persistence with 5 at the back long after opponents had wised to it was the main reason we didn’t win this league by a similar margin to Tamworth last season. Our recent away form ( losses at Kidderminster, Radcliffe and Kings Lynn) meant we were vulnerable to Brackley’s late surge. What influence the off field events had on team performance we will never know!

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    #303822
    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Too many sideshows off the field have cost the club the championship in my opinion.

    Removing Lee Turnbull.

    Appointing a new CEO.

    Creating Unity.

    Signing Beck

    FC100000.

    Sacking the catering person.

    Sacking the club shop supplier.

    Keeping Ramus Twat on the scene.

    Stadium Weekender.

    All these made people take their eye off the real goal in automatic promotion.

    I would be looking extremely hard at the reasons behind many of these decisions and the person who initiated them.

    It’s all Beck’s fault.

    #303823
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    It’s always been Beck’s fault in your eyes Rene, your an obsessive, time to get help mate.

    #303828
    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    There are more contributory factors than an onion has layers.

    However:

    1 NLN goal in x,xxx minutes was a contributing factor.

    People are lamenting the large amount of drawn games – if he’d notched his fair share (an average strikers, average ratio) then I’d hazard a guess that we’d have finished the season as champions.

    No team can have a non scoring striker.

    A non scoring striker is struck.

    Sadly… we’ve got another season to endure with him.

    It’s obvious Stan has no faith in him – £1,500 a week and benched!

    #303829
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    A thread on distractions off the field turns to what is happening on it.
    The consistent theme is the club board/staff isn’t settled, bringing in a catering manager with a good reputation and then discarding him, then one of Hilton’s heroes comes along and storms off again, then another local trader comes in.

    Out goes Turnbull to be replaced by Roberts, new board members in to replace the ones who left at the end of the Hilton era.

    Another constant is the peculiar scunny thing where wants “status” for having some association with the club hierarchy, despite the fortunes on the field

    Can give various names for that.?

    #303831
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    Most of the drama is generated here, they’re just trying to run a club

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    #303832
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    And the optics have shown they’re doing a piss poor job of it 64.

    A football forum and drama who’d have thunked it, and that would be pretty normal for most clubs, but most of the drama is from the clubs actions not ours.
    Come on fc100.000 alone indefensible.

    #303837
    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    I blame not signing Declan Howe and not having the corner back till now. Had those two things happened we’d have pissed the league backwards

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    #303840
    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    That massive slump we had when Butler was stuck on play 5 at the back is the main reason. How many points did we drop in that period ?

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    #303844
    mkironMK Iron
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    Agree WG. Don’t let anyone try to pretend this is hindsight.

    Me and quite a few others were suggesting we did not have the players suited to 5 at the back while we were still playing pre season friendlies.

    Check out the Chesterfield thread from last early August. Sticking with it almost to Christmas was the most stupid case of self inflicted damage since the Brexit vote.

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    That massive slump we had when Butler was stuck on play 5 at the back is the main reason. How many points did we drop in that period ?

    3 successive 1-0 away defeats when playing a back 4 didn’t help. Maybe a back 5 would have given us a couple of draws?

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    #303848
    wotnowbrncowwotnowbrncow
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    Playing 5 at the back and 3 centre forwards at home to Alfreton of all teams and just lumping it forward for 90 mins is as good a reason as any.
    Win that game and we’d be champions, I know other teams could probably pick out individual games too but that one was just such a baffling tactical setup (not to mention the worst game I’ve ever witnessed) that it sticks out for me.

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    #303849
    mkironMK Iron
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    We pretty much played back sixes in those games Cass. Clunan and Rowley pretended to be in midfield but rarely crossed the halfway line.

    #303851
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    That massive slump we had when Butler was stuck on play 5 at the back is the main reason. How many points did we drop in that period ?

    3 successive 1-0 away defeats when playing a back 4 didn’t help. Maybe a back 5 would have given us a couple of draws?

    I applaud the attempt to bring some balance to the tactical discussion. Either way, though, and as I’ve said before, we are where are – in with a very good shout. Demanding we should have pissed the league absolutely smacks of entitlement in a division that everyone can see has been harder than anticipated, with plenty of sides fighting and toughing things out.

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    #303855
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Then the following game at Marine WNBC.
    What don’t you get when fans keep repeatably saying that this season we’ve seen some of the worst displays ever from a scunny team Apollo.
    Showed more fight getting relegated from div2 than some games this season, just the team in div2 wasn’t very good at football and i dont have issue with that.
    It’s not unfair to say that the team have underperformed this season.
    So yes we are where we are but lets nots bull it up to be a good thing and that’s taking for granted we’ll achieve promotion.

    #303858
    IronIronIronIronIronIron
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    I don’t think people have enough information to slam the Club for affecting the team.

    We very nearly went out of existence, and we desperately need to get things right off the field. I believe that the people on power are doing their best to ensure that we are still around for the future. It may not all be popular or even wanted, but they need to consider every opportunity to improve the position of our Club.

    AB, in my opinion, should never have been appointed. He has done a decent job, but his stubbornness has cost us dearly. We may still go up and he may take us to the next level, but it would have been a lot easier with someone decent & experienced at the helm.

    I hope he continues to improve with his tactics and his attitude, but I am still far from convinced that he is the right man for the job.

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    #303861
    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    I don’t think people have enough information to slam the Club for affecting the team.

    We very nearly went out of existence, and we desperately need to get things right off the field. I believe that the people on power are doing their best to ensure that we are still around for the future. It may not all be popular or even wanted, but they need to consider every opportunity to improve the position of our Club.

    AB, in my opinion, should never have been appointed. He has done a decent job, but his stubbornness has cost us dearly. We may still go up and he may take us to the next level, but it would have been a lot easier with someone decent & experienced at the helm.

    I hope he continues to improve with his tactics and his attitude, but I am still far from convinced that he is the right man for the job.

    Hit nail on head there Ironx3 .. wasnt keen on ABs appointment and the strange contract extention,sounds daft (where he has got us presently) but IMO hes not the right person to take the club forward and if we do go up he may well struggle in the NL.

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    #303873
    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    That massive slump we had when Butler was stuck on play 5 at the back is the main reason. How many points did we drop in that period ?

    3 successive 1-0 away defeats when playing a back 4 didn’t help. Maybe a back 5 would have given us a couple of draws?

    I applaud the attempt to bring some balance to the tactical discussion. Either way, though, and as I’ve said before, we are where are – in with a very good shout. Demanding we should have pissed the league absolutely smacks of entitlement in a division that everyone can see has been harder than anticipated, with plenty of sides fighting and toughing things out.

    This ^. And the armchair manager absolutist attitude to what went wrong. Barely any nuance, just ‘it was the back 5 that did for us – I’m completely right and so is anyone who agrees with me!’

    Cass makes a good point – and one could just as easily blame the route one hoofball tactic, as much as the back 5 period. But to add some nuance to that too, perhaps that was something to do with bad pitches, particularly at home, and less inclination to play it on the ground as much?

    #303874
    mkironMK Iron
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    You can make as many excuses for Butlers stubbornness as you like Deery.

    But he was wrong and anybody who’s ever kicked a ball in anger could see it.

    If he wins his next 2 games he is an Iron managerial legend and I will cheer as loudly as anyone. It’s really difficult to deliver when you are favourites and have the biggest budget.

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    #303876
    BigLeftToeBigLeftToe
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    Legend? Calm down. Next you’ll be saying Russ is an absolute legend!

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    I can understand why some supporters would think I’m making excuses for Butler MKI. Stubborness isn’t a managerial trait confined to him though.

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    mkironMK Iron
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    Legend? Calm down. Next you’ll be saying Russ is an absolute legend!

    Russ probably squeekes in as a playing legend. We have not had so many promotions that the achievment does not warrant legend status for a manager.

    Accept Russ’s extreme caution cost us the championship that season.

    A little bit of history repeating itself?

    #303879
    mkironMK Iron
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    I can understand why some supporters would think I’m making excuses for Butler MKI. Stubborness isn’t a managerial trait confined to him though.

    There is a guy at Manure getting paid an awful lot of money to make exactly the same mistake as Butler. Having one of his better nights tonight though.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Watched quite a bit of that. Players turned up for a change by the looks of it. If our lot had done so a little more in certain games, who knows? :)

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