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[Apollo11]

MK Iron wrote:

No idea what Butterfields injury is but he’s not played for Gateshead since before Christmas.

Only made 19 appearances this season.

Whilst we managed 1 extra point and exactly the same outcome without him. Remind me who were the prophets of doom that predicted mid table at best without Butterfield, Ogle and Elliott.

Hopefully not quite ‘exactly the same outcome’ but your point is bang on. We’ve survived without them. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?

[MK Iron]

I did mean the same outcome from the league campaign.

Hopefully a very different outcome in the playoffs.

[Deereyme66]

MK Iron wrote:

No idea what Butterfields injury is but he’s not played for Gateshead since before Christmas.

Only made 19 appearances this season.

Whilst we managed 1 extra point and exactly the same outcome without him. Remind me who were the prophets of doom that predicted mid table at best without Butterfield, Ogle and Elliott.

A fair few if memory serves. One was the lesser spotted 414.

[ironfromafar]

Hands up here .. i was prophet of doom and a tad peeved Butterfield left and Elliot for that matter and i still think if both had stayed kept fit uninjured in with what we currently have less a couple of dead wood signings like Beck , Fish we would have won the title.

However there is no getting away from the fact the team has done well this term and lets hope it ends in promotion as another season in NLN may well end up being 5.

[Rene Artois]

He’s 35 in June. Is that him finished now?

[ironfromafar]

Rene Artois wrote:

He’s 35 in June. Is that him finished now?

Quite possibly Rene as it seems even though he started great at Gatesheed hes been out injured for a few months something i wasnt aware of.
all hypothetical of course but re his departure .. probably down to money but possibly AB thinking having Butterfield around may be a threat to his position in the future if things went pear shaped .. common knowledge JB was looking at going into coaching.
Regardless how things have gone this season im sticking to my guns re we would have been a better team with JB and DE in it.. especially if Elliot played as he should be.

Would you swap Elliot for Beck Fish and/or Charlton ??

[MK Iron]

I would swap Fish for a small battered haddock and would swap Beck for a corner flag so not really a fair comparison.

Wouldn’t swap him for Carlton though. Elliott is a reasonable finisher but a very poor footballer. He will find it tough again in NLN next season and he’s certainly not good enough for National League.

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[64]

MK Iron wrote:

No idea what Butterfields injury is but he’s not played for Gateshead since before Christmas.

Only made 19 appearances this season.

Whilst we managed 1 extra point and exactly the same outcome without him. Remind me who were the prophets of doom that predicted mid table at best without Butterfield, Ogle and Elliott.

Same guys calling for Butler’s head?

[ironfromafar]

64 wrote:

MK Iron wrote:

No idea what Butterfields injury is but he’s not played for Gateshead since before Christmas.

Only made 19 appearances this season.

Whilst we managed 1 extra point and exactly the same outcome without him. Remind me who were the prophets of doom that predicted mid table at best without Butterfield, Ogle and Elliott.

Same guys calling for Butler’s head?

Whilst i admit to the doom n gloom side re Butterfield etc leaving i stayed on the fence for the most part re Butler getting the boot .. hes scrambled his way to second and a decent chance of promotion due to home advantage but hand on heart i wasnt impressed when he was appointed , shocked at the premature contract extention and still regardless if we go up or not i remain unconvinced he is the right person to take the club forward .. he will struggle next season if in NL or NLN and expect the axe to fall it it goes pear shaped in the first third of the season.

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Awaywego

[Awaywego]

Correct 64 promotion or not deliver butlers head on a platter far from convinced.

Haven’t you called Fitz, Clunan and Whitehall for the last 2 seasons.
Your judgement is way off so I wouldn’t be questioning others.

[Apollo11]

.. hes scrambled his way to second

Andy Butler (2024/25): W26 D12 L8

Jimmy Dean (2023/24): W26 D10 L10

[MK Iron]

Strangely I think Butler would be a better fit in the National League if he was fortunate enough to stagger us over the line.

His overly cautious game plans and seemingly spending the vast majority of coaching time on defending is a better fit in a league where a mid table finish would be deemed a success. Getting clean sheets against teams that are better than you is an achievement.

If we remain in the NLN his reduced budget will likely cause an even further shift towards the defensive. Together with lower quality replacements for Roberts and Whitehall and it could be a tough season.

As Brackley and Tamworth have shown you win this league by consistently beating the teams you should beat. While a clean sheet is a more valued prize than scoring a goal the you’re not going to win the league.

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[ironfromafar]

Apollo11 wrote:

.. hes scrambled his way to second

Andy Butler (2024/25): W26 D12 L8

Jimmy Dean (2023/24): W26 D10 L10

They both scrambled their way into the play offs and JD was relieved of his duties for failing to get promoted.. AB may well fail also but i bet my grans electric scooter he wont be sacked due to the clubs current delicate fiscal situation and his contract payoff.

[Apollo11]

JD was relieved of his duties for failing to get promoted

Or because his salary was a Disney figure dreamed up by Hilton in a coke-stupor.

[CMC]

Signing players, discarding them and signing new ones every month didn’t help the finances either

Blah blah blah, Butler beck etc

[Deereyme66]

‘Strangely I think Butler would be a better fit in the National League’

I don’t think it’s that strange. I can understand the reasoning.

[Iron-awe]

Apollo11 wrote:

JD was relieved of his duties for failing to get promoted

Or because his salary was a Disney figure dreamed up by Hilton in a coke-stupor.

Whilst munching on a Patprick burger.

[Apollo11]

Iron-awe wrote:

Apollo11 wrote:

JD was relieved of his duties for failing to get promoted

Or because his salary was a Disney figure dreamed up by Hilton in a coke-stupor.

Whilst munching on a Patprick burger.

After downing a can of Red Bullshitter.

[64]

“JD was relieved of his duties for failing to get promoted”
Nobody ever said that,he was released because he wanted too big a budget wasn’t he?

[Apollo11]

64 wrote:

“JD was relieved of his duties for failing to get promoted”
Nobody ever said that,he was released because he wanted too big a budget wasn’t he?

I’m fairly certain there was an interview with Michelle early in the season in which she said Dean had done a presentation to the board but “it was clear we were on different pages” and they parted ways. I’d guess that was around budget.

[Deereyme66]

Almost certain that was said, along those lines. So I think it’s factual to counter that he wasn’t ‘relieved of his duties’. That said, I was relieved.

[Apollo11]

Technically I think he must indeed have been ‘relieved of his duties’, as he’d signed a contract extension hadn’t he? But he certainly wasn’t sacked for failing to get promoted.

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[wotnowbrncow]

I might be remembering incorrectly but around the time of Butler’s contract extension Michelle gave an interview where she said that the club was protected by some significant clauses relating to promotion.
I took that to mean that if we didn’t go up then we could part ways with the manager without or at least without much of, a payoff.
I may have dreamt it, I may have misinterpreted it, but it could be that there’s a lot riding on the playoffs for Andy in particular.

[Apollo11]

wotnowbrncow wrote:

I might be remembering incorrectly but around the time of Butler’s contract extension Michelle gave an interview where she said that the club was protected by some significant clauses relating to promotion.
I took that to mean that if we didn’t go up then we could part ways with the manager without or at least without much of, a payoff.
I may have dreamt it, I may have misinterpreted it, but it could be that there’s a lot riding on the playoffs for Andy in particular.

I doubt that the contract would (effectively) fuck Butler over if we fail to get promotion, but there will be a level of financial protection for the Club in there.

[CMC]

Apollo11 wrote:

64 wrote:

“JD was relieved of his duties for failing to get promoted”
Nobody ever said that,he was released because he wanted too big a budget wasn’t he?

I’m fairly certain there was an interview with Michelle early in the season in which she said Dean had done a presentation to the board but “it was clear we were on different pages” and they parted ways. I’d guess that was around budget.

Anyone with a minute should look at the players Spalding United have recruited this season, they’ve not come cheap.

[wotnowbrncow]

Apollo11 wrote:

wotnowbrncow wrote:

I might be remembering incorrectly but around the time of Butler’s contract extension Michelle gave an interview where she said that the club was protected by some significant clauses relating to promotion.
I took that to mean that if we didn’t go up then we could part ways with the manager without or at least without much of, a payoff.
I may have dreamt it, I may have misinterpreted it, but it could be that there’s a lot riding on the playoffs for Andy in particular.

I doubt that the contract would (effectively) fuck Butler over if we fail to get promotion, but there will be a level of financial protection for the Club in there.

Does it count as fucking over if he signed it? I seem to remember that he was effectively on a verbal gentleman/womans agreement before he signed the current contract so it may have looked appealing from his perspective?

[login-nonsense]

Normally listen at arms length but have to chip in with all this Elliot and his goals. My local team play in the Macc league and saw them twice, he was truly dreadful, I mean bad, should have scored way more. The standard at this level is awful.

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